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Bras » Ewa Michalak » Plm Le Noir » 65FF 30:8

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Fits ribcage72.1
B. perimeter0.0
Stretched Band75.4
Band Length58.1
Cup width12.8
Cup depth24.6
Wire length21.2
Cup height17.0
Cup separation2.3
Gore height2.5
Wing height10.4
Strap width1.5
Hooks3

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  1. 16
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    Didn't fit

    The day has finally come! Just kidding, this actually arrived astonishingly quickly. I placed the order on March 2 after being denied a 60G because "bra will not be holding your breast properly in a place," whatever that means... It shipped on March 10 and I received it on March 14 after DHL had told me it would arrive on the 16th. I have never had an Ewa bra arrive this quickly, and while I shy away from saying that $40 shipping could ever be worth it, the service was great.

    In the interest of providing as much detail as I can, I will begin with my comments about ... the bra's construction, then discuss the fit and conclude with pros and cons and whom I think this bra might work for. Bear with me as I write A NOVEL. The fabric is very similar to SF fabric but somewhat more shimmery and with a mesh panel on top that extends from the gore most of the way to the top outer edge of the cup. The cups aside from the mesh are the only part that uses the SF-like fabric, as the rest of the band and the wings are mesh. The straps are, as advertised, convertible, and there are 3 hooks rather than the usual 2. The straps are attached in the back, while the front ends are free, using little J-hooks to attach in your desired location. These J-hooks don't go on tightly enough for the straps not to slip out of them if you're not careful, particularly if you're wearing the straps normally and not crossed, which irritated me when I was first putting on the bra. If I was keeping this I would definitely want to take some pliers to the hooks to make them fit tighter, because they're in danger of slipping off even while just taking the bra off.

    About me: I am very projected with even vertical fullness but have very short roots that make me functionally full on bottom in addition to being low set. My smaller side is slightly narrower and more projected than my bigger side. I have a bony sternum that makes high gores painful; I can tolerate Ewa Michalak CHPs/PLs but not SFs/BMs/any Comexim gore/even some UK plunge bras. I am splayed/wide set but somehow have enough tissue in the center for tall gores to sit on it slightly. The ABTF calculator gives me 26GG/H UK (I find that the H is an overestimation) and my best UK size in store is 28G; my best fits are Ewa Michalak 60G CHP bras or occasionally 65FF CHPs if I fasten them on tighter hooks.

    To state the obvious, this bra is too small in the cup for me. As usual, lighting is an impediment to really seeing the fit issues, but you can see my quadboob in the closer-up images. The stretchy mesh may help, but I think I'm simply too big for it to do much. When I thoroughly scoop and swoop, the fabric on my bigger side folds on itself. I was pleasantly surprised not to have gapping on top, which can happen to me even in a bra that would otherwise fit fine in the cup due to my short roots. The cups are narrow enough for my bigger side and a little narrower than EM's padded cuts. Unfortunately, I experienced wrinkling at the bottom just like with the SF bra I used to own due to insufficient immediate projection. It's not crazy severe in this case, but definitely noticeable. I have a lot of immediate projection and am just on the border of being pendulous, but my CHP bras sit in my IMF.

    I think that going up a cup size to a 65G would mitigate if not eradicate the quadboob, but I'm not sure whether the cups would still sit on breast tissue on either side of my sternum. I don't currently have a BM bra to compare it to because BMs are like my personal torture devices, but based on the BM I have owned in the past, I believe it runs slightly smaller in the cup and has slightly narrower wires. The band definitely runs big, stretching to almost an inch bigger than any other 65FF I own including the secondhand ones and the CH Cherry that I feel runs big in the band. I believe it is also slightly stretchier than other EM cuts. The band is noticeably loose on the loosest hook but would probably fit on the tightest or second tightest.

    I really appreciated the low gore of this bra and think it would be great for others like me who suffer from the distressing inability to wear normal height gores. The convertible straps help with this brand's love for the widest set straps ever, but the cups still cut into my armpits slightly (not enough to be uncomfortable). The silhouette it gives me is not my favorite - a hint pointy - but I really prefer padded bras anyway so you might find it very flattering on you. It doesn't seem to be a "cleavage-y" bra like the pictures on the website suggest, but maybe it would be if the cups fit me better?

    Unlike a lot of tall/full cup bras, I don't think you need to be FOT or have tall roots in order to not gap in this, but I'm not positive since it's too small in the cup. It does not have much immediate projection and might be less immediately projected than SFs, though I would say the overall fit is probably most similar to an SF. It seems like a great option for a plunge neckline but I suspect that the cups would be more full-coverage in the center in the correct size, so the plunge part of the neckline would have to be narrow. My pet peeve with this bra is the loose J-hooks, which can almost fall off if you touch them too forcefully. If you tighten the straps well, I don't think this would be an issue during wear, but it is definitely an issue while putting the bra on and taking it off.

    Please feel free to comment with questions if you're curious about this cut and I will do my best to answer!

    TLDR: Fabric like an SF with more mesh. Runs big/stretchy in band, small in cup despite stretch mesh. Possibly slightly narrower but less immediately projected than other EM cuts. Super low gore great. Loose J-hooks bad. Not ideal for all plunge necklines. Not sure about accommodating close set breasts because cups too small. Me sell bra now.

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      I feel the same way about this bra. In theory, it's an amazing concept. It may need a little bit more work shopping to be great. I've seen several photos of it looking great and giving great cleavage but it fits similarly on me as it does in your photos. I recently ordered another one a cup size up to see if it helps with immediate projection. I'm determined to find a decent fit in this bra since it's the closest I've gotten to a well fitting unlined plunge and I need a very low gore. I wish I could get it in a 60 band because it's so stretchy. The J-hooks I've experienced with Ewa have all been different. Mine stay put easily after a few wears but slipped the first time I was putting it on. I've tried the cappucinowy in a few sizes now and two sets of the attachable straps have been too loose and one set was closed when it arrived and I had to open it with pliers. I think it's minor differences in the metal since they're probably mass produced. I do prefer this strap style over the older removable straps that were much wider and affected the overall construction/depth of the bra. I hope she makes some adjustments over time and finds the right construction. Going back into the earliest Ewa Instagram posts you can see the first BM styles and the changes that have been made so I'm hopeful for some PLM adjustments!

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      WildWolff thanks so much for your super helpful earlier review btw! I used to have a CHP Cappucci-nowy with the removable straps and they stayed on much better, so I guess it's just a manufacturing thing. I like the cross back capability too. I wish I wasn't doomed to never have cleavage in unlined bras...I mightttt try a 65G in that deep pink PLM she posted on Insta the other day but I'm not sure because the band is definitely too big for me. I guess I'm better off just dropping a bunch more money on a custom 60G CHP since my CHPs are all I wear.

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      I wish she would sell more PLMs! I've emailed asking for other styles and she said more will come with no other detail. I like the stretch lace/mesh cups she makes more than the fabric styles of BM/SF so I'm hoping an Antonina or similar PLM will fit better. I have to pad my BM gores with two cotton balls and it's still uncomfortable. But other brands and styles don't fit the same as Ewa bras. When I was measuring at 65F/FF the gores on BM and SM bras were okay for me and I had great cleavage but they're too high for me in larger cups.

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      I posted my last comment without realizing there were three PLM posts on Instagram! I had seen one of the pink sets on my timeline but not the other two posts. And one is the Antonina so now I'm excited to see when they go on the website for sale.

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      Bummer it wasn’t a win due to size. I also had some loose hooks and had to close them with pliers. Now they work perfectly. Hopefully if you size up you can get a better fit.

      WildWolff OMG! I saw the hot pink version also! I’m obsessively clicking her website to see when it’s available. Tho I’m not sure if it’s a regular bra or a swimsuit? I need to go look at it again. But I’m loving the black one, especially when my bad shoulder is acting up. Cross straps really help.

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      Happy2BraShop I didn't think about swimsuits! Either way I will probably order lol the darker pink set reminds me of the BM Michelle which was on my list for a while but I didn't get it in time. So now I'm set on ordering early for this one! If you sign up for the email newsletters you'll get an email when new collections drop.

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      Thank you for this detailed and helpful review! Sorry it didn’t work out for you. So weird that the band is stretchy. I’ve found 99% of her bras have too tight bands!

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      WildWolff I think the hot pink might be just a bra! Even if you missed out on a bra, you can always email and ask if they have any fabric left to make one. That’s how I got my Ice Blue and Heaven in the next size up. I think when I place another order I’ll ask if they are considering making a bathing suit version to at least maybe drop the idea and hint at it lol. I know I’d buy one.

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      Happy2BraShop as soon as I noticed there were only a couple sizes left in Michelle I emailed about it and they said they didn't have the fabric left. I wasn't upset about it because fit is hit or miss for me with the BM style. The lace/mesh cups aren't painful at the gore but the stiffer fabric cups are very painful. I haven't figured out why.

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      WildWolff I’ve noticed a stiffer fit with both BM and SF’s that are made using the thicker fabric vs the usual lined lace cups. I partly wonder if the stiffer fabric restricts the wires and cups from flexing like the lined lace?

    • Happy2BraShop It may be that the lace fabric has a little more give to it. I've tried two BMs with the thicker fabric and they're so painful at the gore even if I pad it with cotton balls. With the lace cups the wires sit on tissue in the center a little but it's not uncomfortable and I can wear them for a full day. It seems to be specific to Ewa wires, I can wear Gorsenia with lace or fabric cups and the wires sit on tissue but are not painful until I wear it for over 10 hours.

    • Thanks for the thorough review, moonshineforest ! Have you considered sending Ewa Michalak your quadboob photos? Maybe that would convince them you know your size, for future orders.

      How different are the mesh and main body fabric in stiffness? I have a problem with half-padded, half unpadded bra cups. The line where the two fabrics meet always make me look like I have four breasts. I realize Plm Le Noir isn't padded, but your pictures make me think the line where the two fabrics meet might have a similar effect on me.

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      learningaboutbras so I think the reason she denied me a 60G probably had more to do with the construction of the bra than her not believing my size, since I've ordered a bunch of 60G bras before with no issue. With regard to the cups, the mesh is definitely stretchier than the opaque fabric but I don't think that the cup cuts in where the two meet like, for example, Cleo Marcie always did on me. It's certainly possible that it could though.

    • Only the cup volume is the same in 60G and 65FF, so it would still have quadded in the 60G. It’s a neat style for sure, but I think it’s not for everyone.

    • Calluna yep, that’s why I said I would go up a cup size to a 65G. I doubt I’ll bother though. I’m thinking about a custom CHP Kleks to spend my money on instead.

    • moonshineforest , thanks for the analogy! Cleo Marcie did work on me in terms of no quadboob looking indentation. I loved the shape it gave me. I had to leave it behind once I realized regular height gores were resting on breast tissue. I may try Plm Le Noir then.

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  2. 1
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    Didn't fit

    Thank you to marilynne for letting me try this new cut before buying it myself!

    I wore this quite a bit, and I mostly liked it. The cups are narrow and deep, and I love how low the gore is. I have relatively soft tissue, and my breasts are moderately center full; I was sure I would fall out of this at some point during the day, but I didn't! It is a testament to Ewa's competency as an engineer.

    I'm pretty broad-shouldered and don't usually have the issue of Ewa's straps being too wide set for me. That said, I love the option of crossing the ... straps to alleviate that problem for those that do struggle with them. I did briefly try the straps crossed, and while I would like that on a swimsuit, I did not care for it in a bra. I have sensitive spots along my traps, and crossing the straps puts them right on those pressure points. That's a pass from me on long-term wearability.

    I also loved that the clasp was 3x4. Bras in this size range rarely have such a robust clasp, and that's a shame. While not particularly sexy looking, it does wonders for dispersing tension more evenly across the band and improves comfort. I really would like to see it on more bras in my size. I can get that from Comexim, but this is the first Ewa to have it in my size other than a strapless.

    I did get some wrinkling in the bottom of the cup, and in addition, the top of the wires of the awesomely low gore happened to dig into my ribs painfully. That digging is a dealbreaker for me. Coupled with the cup issue, I'm curious if a 65G may fit me better. However, I'm high set and short-rooted, so I think a cup up will be too tall for me in the cups and may not resolve the issues I had with the bra.

    Overall, the cut is pretty good. While the issues I mentioned are reasons for me to abstain from a bra, I'm more tolerant of them in a swimsuit. I may jump on this cut for that purpose and grab the PLM Sunshine.

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  3. 0
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    Didn't fit

    Fits ribcage 28.0
    B. perimeter 0.0
    Stretched Band 28.65
    Band Length 22"
    Cup width 5.5"
    Cup depth 9.5"
    Wire length 9"
    Cup height 6.75
    Cup separation .75
    Gore height 1
    Wing height 4.25
    Strap width .6
    Strap length 16.75
    Hooks 3

    Same cut/fit as the regular SF, which I LURVE. In the most general sense, this style feels like an upgrade from the 'too open/loose on top' regular style. However, there is a much shorter upper band proportionately, which throws the fit off a bit for ... me and am not sure if this is meant to be super sturdy with minute give, in anticipation that it WILL stretch out easily from regular wear? Or, the upper band is meant to hold the whole breast in more compact fashion to compensate for the extra low gore, and avoid spills. So far this seems to produce crumpling/collapsing, line-of-demarcation/wide divot along breast before roots, and a generally weird digging pressure.
    My breasts are pretty short/small/functionally FOB if not actually FOB, with not much tissue around the inner cup, and this part of the bra feels closer to Panaches' Andorra than I'm comfortable with (decided that bra detests inner fullness of any type).

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    Didn't fit

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    Hasn't set fit

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    Added on Jun 08, 2022