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  After seeing the pictures, I think you should be wearing 32j with an extender. This is too big in the cups. The band seems fine, but if you drop to 34 HH you will get narrower wires.
  I dont really get your strap issue cause the 32 j cup seems perfect from the pictures!

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  • I cannot get my fit issues to end up on pictures. There is no way to show support or pain on a picture. I'm trying. Very hard. I never have any success.

    I'm trying to show how my bra lifts up in the front. I'm trying to show how my boobs leaks out of the bra on the sides. It still doesn't show as anything else but "fat".

    So the suggestion would be the obvious "the band is too tight".

    So what to do.

    The reversed.

    When putting the 32J bra on the tightest hook I instantly get these results:

    * Instand relief on shoulders and neck, boobs lifted. Wow, I suddenly feel like I'm wearing a bra after all.

    * I can scope my tissue to stay in the cups and I got instant quadboob.

    * I can wear the bra without the straps and still be supported. But the results is again; quadboob.

    When the bra was off I could see this:

    * Wires poking breast tissue in the center gore because they are too low.

    * Some poking on breast tissue in the lower center gore.

    I'm even surprised about all this myself. I feel kind of stupid for not having tried to have the tightest hook on the bra. But when everyone tells you it's too tight you start to question how you feel and everything just get crazy weird.

    But once again: I do need tighter bands to get support on my torso, and only when I get a band tight enough will I know if the bra is too small.

    I've tried to get the quadboob to end on picture. I will try to add some new pics if the I managed to make it visible :)

    I will try to alter the 34J down to see what happens. My guess is it will not fit the smaller boob, but the larger.

    So the painful straps cutting in under the arms = breasts in pain masking themselves as fat ;/

  • I should be criminalized for making this terrible bra alteration. I now actually have wires poking me behind my armpit on the larger boob :O

    I might need to redo this terribly ugly alteration. But I would conclude that the damn 34J bra fits way better :D

  • The findings I've got now is so remarkable it will take a while to understand them.

    1. I don't get support from bands bigger than 30.

    2. It's not until cups are supportive my boobs will start out acting like their shape. Basketball tops.

    3. When the cups in the 34J Andorra was altered the wires became way too wide.

    What do I make out of these findings?!

    If altering the band down makes the wires too wide so does that mean I could wear narrower wires?

    I have never tried a 30 band bra with too narrow wires apart from CK Tease me and the band on that bra was extremely loose.

    So I need high wires and bras that pushes me up by squeeze?

  • This is what I was telling you - when you alter the band wires get distorted. That meens if you start getting 30 bands, wires on those should fit you, but theres a depth problem then. I really think you should give halfcups a go, take bigger sizes and alzer the band to your liking. Thats the only style that will push you up with squeeze. I must say, the 32 band cuts in your backso much I would think you should start bleeding from a 30. But hey, you know best how you feel in those. What I can say with no doubt - the cups on this one are too big, and Im not taking your word on this one cauuse its quite clear from the pictures.
    So, if you havd gotten the 34hh, the wires after alteration would be way better on you.
    Like I said, until you figure out what you need, Id buy some cheap bras of vratabase and altering them until you get a sense what to look for.

  • Yup you are very right about that. The question is what on earth I should go for. I'm still not sure about that. It seems however as Gervaise is close to me in size :)

    In the meantime I've tried reconstructing my boob journey to see if I do have pendulous breasts.

    I actually have that.

    Look here: http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557757_10151229087740540_1270499063_n.jpg 20 years old, bad posture and almost no projection.

    http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/149660_10151229077405540_129270693_n.jpg

    On day later, different posture and angle. No bra on. But most of the times I actually did look at the first picture.

    As you see I am extremely east and west in my shape. That's the making of my rib cage.

    I am also questioning now if I am fuller on the top.

    Here: http://www.quickandsimple.com/cm/quickandsimple/images/YX/ricki-lake-wl-wi_de.jpg See how here boob muscles seems to protrude above her boobs?

    http://www.celebritydietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ricki-lake-weight-loss-success.jpg Even more visual.

    Then when she is bigger: http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/features/theysaid/081215/ricki_lake400.jpg

    Lower boobs, bad posture.

    When the boobs end up on that place almost under a protruding rib cage one simply wants to get them higher up because the body curve in there and suddenly the neck pain is gone. Sort of.

    I might need to explain that last things better however :)

  • You actually had a lot of projection with no bra on and your breast sat really high. Wow! Have you ever considered wearing softcups? They are in some ways more forgiving than wired bras. When I weighed 10 kilo's more the bra I mostly wore was the Freya Active softcup in 36H (on the tightest hook, since I really needed a 34HH in this style). It gave much projection and not the mono-boob look that's so common in soft cup sports bras. A while ago I also considered ordering the Elisa Jacquard http://www.herroom.com/elila-1305-jacquard-softcup-bra-with-cushioned-straps.shtml I read it's a very firm bra, with 5 hooks and very wide sides. It starts at a 34 band, but I heard it runs 1 or 2 band sizes smaller than usual. It goes up to an American N cup, which theoretically will equal a British JJ cup.

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  Eliza, have you read this?

  http://drueberunddrunter.blogspot.de/2012/04/english-reversed-letterphobia-and-war.html

  Part of the problems you have with the 34J with the band taken in are known sizing problems you typically get when you wear a too tight band with cups that are too large.

  And the cups of the 34J do look too large for me.

  Also, have you tried the Panache Tango II Balc.?

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  • I agree the cups are too large and the band to small. The wires reach too far towards the back and the band seems like it fits only due to the wires in the cups making the band seem longer.

  • Hi, sorry for late answer. The alteration I did was severe and just on one side so I only distorted the wires on one side. The wires in this bra still otherwise have hurt my sides. I also have a 36J for alteration. That one has nice wires.

    I had a Tango Plunge I've recently given away. Almost never wore it, didn't fit half as good as my Freya Pollyanna and Millie bras. Probably mostly due to the terribly loose band.

    However my boobs are totally different now.

    Now, let's try this busenfreundinnen sizing thingie.

    What measurements and how to measure? Are there any guide you can link with pictures. I've seen Vlatka and Gervaise giving measurements but I'm not totally sure about how they are measured.

    For example I'd also think I can change the measurements completely with posture so it would be a good thing to know how I am supposed to stand. When flexing muscles I guess I get 3-4 more cm depending on that the boobs then ends up higher and get more projected.

    So as a starting point some kind of guide would be good :)

  • Ok,

    underbust pulled as tight as possible
    underbust loosely on skin
    bust standing with your best fitting bra, also tell me the model and the size please
    bust standing straight upright without a bra (don't worry too much about this)
    bust lying flat on your back without a bra (this is the most important)
    bust bowed forward at 90 degree angle (also important with your particular breast shape)

    all in cms please.

  • I might add we are now fitting my PMS boobs but they are this big quite often even if the laying down measurements often are more like 109. But the 90 degree is always 116 and sometimes even 117.5 (I'd assume the latter would be on looser boob days :D)

    Tightest band: 79
    Loosest band 96

    Standing up: 110
    Laying flat: 112
    90 degree: 116

    34J Andorra (but altered) 108
    32J Andorra 106.5

    :)

  • Ah I might add to that that Andorra 34J measures 108 even when unaltered :)

  • Are you sure about the underbust? Bc those measurements would ideally put you in a 36 band with much smaller cups, around 36FF/G/GG. *scratches head* The only explanation is that you read the numbers from the wrong end of the tape.

    Either that, or your boobs defy all logic.

  • I have always said I have a strange constitution and that there's something off with it all :D And that looks can deceive.

    To me it makes perfect sense I should be in those sizes when looking at my boobs. Because I've always thought there's something off here.

    Those sizes would equal something like 30-33 in cup depth right?

    Which seems about right.

    Also it would mean me not needing to put rib cage into my bras. Which is what I have tried to tell but I've not gotten the right words for it. I've said things like "it's my rib cage that protrudes" and so on.

    Anyhow: The problem is with my new creases that clearly joins the boob when leaning over. Since the end of it is so far back.

    And the pain from wires. Because I really do think there is breast tissue there on my sides but I have no clue if it's even possible to move forward.

    To be honest I have been braless most of the time so I do wonder if the migration might be caused simply by the fact that I don't wear those too small Freya bras any more.

    Because based on my measurements I've clearly gotten firmer and bigger boobs.

    But it will be interesting to see if I can make anything end in the smaller cups!

  • I did take some more pics today I can make sketches out of. That halo of tissue around the boobs is rather freaky.

  • I went out in the stores today looking for bras in those sizes. I found nothing that would fit. A lot did cut in on my top. But I came up with a pretty clear picture of the shape of my boobs in this bra. And the center gore did sit flat.

    It's a 38DD but it fits more like a 36F I'd guess. The wires had the exact same width as the Andorra 32H.

    http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424731_10151235668955540_161225829_n.jpg

    http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553543_10151235674715540_73309240_n.jpg

    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644691_10151235710355540_196133226_n.jpg

    http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/22717_10151235715515540_615979934_n.jpg

    That's how my very full on top boobs looks in a smaller bra.

    All this just made me want open top bras.

    So now: Tease me, Thrill me, Fleurty, Pollyanna?, Rhea, Delphi, Parisian plume what sizes should I try? Any more suggestions?

    Also the fat under my arms - I do believe it is breast tissue.

    I could get some of the "fat" to now end up high on my chest, (instead of doing as it does in the larger sizes, just sit there).

  • I know you said you rulled that one out, but from seig this I think the confetti in some size might work for you. Its very open on top and the bottom section will give a similar shape to this one.

  • Ah true!

    I now just need to have a clue on what earth of sizes to go for :D

    I have put together a brastop basket with like 10 bras again. All halfcups and some Polyanna :D

    I got the money so maybe I should just shop and try every size to be sure of it.

  • http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534670_10151236004480540_1650617977_n.jpg Here are my shopping basket. Almost every Tease Me and Thrill Me ever made in the sizes I could find. I looked at Ella and Emily as well. But I'd rather have some cotton bras or Triumph Ladyform. I will definitely order the latter.

  • You've orderd all those? Wow :))) Im jealous, I think my bf would crucify me if I did that.
    Anyway, i wanted to add tanzania stripe to your list if you plan on ordering from bravissimo. I actually think unpadded hLfcups will work best for you.

  • Yup I will order that one as well! It looks very nice on the pictures!

  • Status:

    Bought
    *Fleurty: 36F-G (checking out size)
    *Tease me 34GG 36F-FF white and coral
    *Thrill Me Jade/Fuchsia 36F-FF
    *Thrill Me Whine/Navy 36F
    *Thrill Me Grape/Jade 36F
    *Thrill Me Peach/plume 36F

    Pollyanna: 36F and G

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    Tanzania Stripe 36F and FF
    Parisan Plume 38F

    Those were the sizes closest to what I could find in those stores.

    Cancelled: Rhea 34H, Confetti 30J and Pollyanna 30J

    Want: PL Garden. PL Milady CHP Milady CHP Ametyst among others.

  • I think you should also give Elomi a try. Elomi has wide wires and I think the bras would really suit your shape, especially the Maggie and the Tamarie.

    You can find Elomi on figleaves.

    I personally cannot wear Ewa Michalak bc the wires are too narrow.

  • t_maia: Thanks. I did like the Tamarie a lot.

    When it comes to Elomi I also liked: Lara (extremely pretty halfcup!), Valentina, Suzie and Cleo. And of course the Betty, but I've heard nothing good about Betty?

    What do you know about the others? Any risk any of them will cut in on top?

  • If Suzie, Betty and Valentina didn't cut in, the other Elomis won't either.

    If you liked the Elomi Cleo Side Support, try the Goddess Rose Banded Underwire.

    Lara is a very difficult model, if you have soft breasts chances are high you'll be falling out of that. (I sure did.)

    BTW, since you are up north in Scandinavia, have you tried bras by the company Change? I'm not too impressed by their price-quality-ratio, but just in case you have a Change nearby...

  • t_maia: Sorry, I'm being unclear. I have not tried any Elomi bras yet. I'm just looking at them.

    So I just wanted to know if there were any construction issues with any of the bras or if some of them would have tight upper sections. With tight upper sections I will get cutting in so I just wanted to know what models to avoid.

    I don't think I will spill out on top of a half cup or plunge bc I have never done that before.

    I've read a busenfreundinnen page you linked Gervaise about soft vs firm breasts and I would say I am somewhere in between. Even if my boobs are soft I have a hard core of glandular tissue inside that makes me somewhat self supportive. My problems with padded cups seems to be the opposite; they are not often the shape my boobs are.

    I don't have the typical soft breasts that easily fill out "what ever space they get" as I've seen some women explaining it.

    Change is 180 kilometers away so I don't go there often. Also I prefer online shopping :)

    I do know in the smaller sizes I'm now trying I need bras with an open top.

    I have a huge brastop order coming my way. I do think my size should be closer to a 36G than FF but we'll see about that in a couple of days :)

  • Ok, from what I know of your breast shape I would suggest the Elomi Cleo Side Support, the Elomi Jasmine (both discontinued, but still available on ebay) and the Elomi Maggie to you. Elomi Tamarie might also work. I would also like to suggest that you try the Goddes Alice Underwired again in your "new" size.

    Suzie, Betty and Valentina are all the same cut, they tend to cut in horribly on most women. But since deep V-necklines are so fashionable and flattering on plush women, these women desperately need a deep plunge. As a consequence, the fact that the bra cuts in gets overlooked.

    I've also seen that the Elomi Cleo Bandless frequently cuts in.

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  Difficult. I have the feeling the 32J and 34J both fit you in some ways, but not in others. The 32J is too small at the sides, but the 34J is defintely too big in the upper cups. That's one of the reasons you have too pull the straps so tight. If you really think you need a 30 band, you probably should try some wide wired styles in a 30JJ and a 30K. Because the Panache Andorra is too small for me in a 30J, I am going to try the Panache Jasmine in a 30JJ myself some time soon. It also has stretch lace and side seams. But I am going to order the Panache Andorra some time again and try to take in the band - I have to improve my pathetic sewing skills.
  Apart from this, I have the feeling the Andorra is too deep for you in the cups anyway. I think you need shallower cups with still wider wires.

  PS By mistake I posted this 'suggestion' before as 'comment'. Maybe my 'empty' comment can be deleted

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  • I actually think this is quite right: I slope down into the cups. But you should see how ridiculously wide wires I've now gotten after trying to alter the band down :D I'd say the cups are still not shallow enough!

    Btw: How much do your boob projects from your center gore? I cannot take more than 7 cm, but ideally I would like 5-6 cm.

    Also I want my boobs up on my chest. I will try to make a post trying to explain this also. It's a little complicated.

  • How did you measure your projection? Naked or dressed in a bra, standing upward or bending forward? I measured it first with a bra on from my center gore (at nipple hight) to the nipple and then naked, bending forward. My left breast measures 16 centimeters naked and 15 with a bra on. My right breast (the smallest) measures around 17 cm naked and 16 centimeters with a bra on. So the strange thing is that my smallest breast has a larger projection than the bigger breast, the one which also has the most orange in a glass issues.

  • Naked. My boobs standing up is "made up" by Freya 34F bras. http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539315_10151194882590540_1246561663_n.jpg Here is how I look in tight clothing today with this bra on and a good posture. I have had an extremely hard time accepting how my ribcage makes my boobs so in your face and now that they in a bra is so much bigger it's totally weird for me seeing pictures of me like that because I just feel kind of "faking".

    However I still want my boobs higher up and less projected because they weigh more that low down. That's why I prefer way shallower cups.

    I will try out Effuniak HP if I can come close to come up with a size in it :)

    Soft cups is something I have considered a lot. Since here is how I look in a dress: http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/261937_10151211727250540_1119831756_n.jpg

    Strange thing about my boobs is how they even if they are very soft will sit in that dress. But I must admit I feel way too bare in it. That was just me trying to see what would happen if I would take the same dress on that I wore the last year without a bra. Only this time I bent over and stood up. The difference is even absurd

  • I think for some of us our boobs looks so small without a bra and then in a bra they become huge. Check out my bra adventure to see how crazy my boobs acts :D

  • From these two pics it's clear you have rather large breasts. And you have really an impressive clevage in that dress. So really nothing to be ashamed about, I would say;) And very full on toppish I must add. By the way, do you also have pointing down nipples that sit rather low at your breasts, while there hardly isn't any sagging going on? Mine look that way. I think it's very common with fuller on top boobs.

  • I wonder if you just got me to get another name on my boob problem.

    That sagging thing puzzles me to an extreme. I have always looked like this: http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426296_10151231565645540_259961558_n.jpg

    And I still do http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557803_10151231596015540_861851193_n.jpg

    How come then from the side standing up I look like this? http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385620_10151231527790540_1487949906_n.jpg

    Vlatka has said she differs soft breasts from pendulous or sagging. To me they look the same as sagging but as long as I don't lean over the slightest they do look round.

    So if my breasts are extremely soft, how come I don't fall out of that dress?? Is that because that dress is so extremely small that I just can pull it off because of it being so tight?

    Also, here: http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/576947_10151231087525540_688497581_n.jpg Here is were most bras have their depth.

    Here is what I need: http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535743_10151231088715540_1224627082_n.jpg

    That certainly should explain why my perimeter is way bigger than my need for cup depth.

    I do think you can help me here: You do have some 30J bras at home right? What I need is 1: Shallow bottom. 2. Not too much projection. That's how my boobs get lifted.

    I think the reason Tease me didn't work was because of the loose band that didn't allow me to pull the cups as flat as I would need.

  • It almost seems like your boobs are firm and soft at the same time. I also don't understand the relation between perimeter and cup depth. I definitely need a smaller cup depth than my perimeter. But I think this is also the case for more women.
    Regarding 30J's. I don't have any bra at this moment in this size. I bought some bras in several sizes, also in 30J (like the Andorra) but most of them I sent back, because they didn't fit. I bought the Panache Harmony in 28K, which is unfortunately the wrong size for me. Too big cups and too wide wires, combined with a slightely too small back, that distorts the wires. But this style could be suitable for your breast type with its extremely big wires and open on top cups? Have you tried it? I guess it runs about a cup size larger than the Andorra. A 30JJ would possibly fit you.

  • I tried the Harmony in 34J and 32J. I just wasn't thrilled about it and hence didn't try another size. But maybe I should do that anyway. Also there's a Confetti in 30J in the same ebay store so maybe I actually should try those out after all :)

    About the soft and firm at the same time I've tried to do some research: "Breast Density classifications according to
    the BI-RADS® lexicon

    The BI-RADS classification system identifies four levels of breast density in keeping with relative increases in the amount of levels of fibro-glandular tissue. These are:
    Breast Density: BI-RADS type 1.

    The first 'type' classification of breast density is of almost entirely fat. Glandular tissue is less than 25%.
    Breast Density: BI-RADS type 2.

    In type 2 breast density, there are scattered fibroglandular tissues, ranging from 25%-50% of the breast.
    Breast Density: BI-RADS type 3.

    The breast tissue in type 3 may be termed 'heterogeneously dense', ranging 51%-75% of the breast tissue. 'Heterogeneous' means something contains many different items and has many different variations. With respect to breast density it implies that the fibrous tissue is prevalent throughout the breast, but not clustered together.
    Breast Density: BI-RADS type 4.

    The highest category of breast density, 'type 4', means that the breast contains greater than 75% glandular and fibrous tissue. At this level the sensitivity of the mammogram might even be reduced. "

    I should think I am somewhere between 2 and 3. I can feel that hard thing inside the breast but there is also a lot of fat around it.

    If it is unevenly distributed that maybe would explain how they can act so different in different positions.

    Also now on PMS they are more firm. But when seeing that photo when sitting down I would also describe myself as narrow but with a wide root :D Even more complicated :D

  • I have did a test and measured my perimeter as tight as I should want it in a bra and I end up with 34 then. I think that might be quite correct.

  • This breast density is interesting - Im a type 4, they told me so on the ultrasound they did on my boobs, the doctor said she never saw so much grandular tissue and told me I should get an ultrasound once a year, because of the structure of my boobs selfexam is impossible. Now that I think about it, density might be the key to how deep cups will someone need compared to their perimeter. I cant get away with shallow cups and this Ive learned from trial and error. Now it makes perfect sense. From this I see you can get away with a lot sampler cups than for instance me, they will make your boobs apear more firm because they condense breast issue - that's the dress explanation too - it squashes your boobs christina hendrics style :)
    On that note, I think you might be overthinking it :)
    We narrowed down quite a few styles you could try, so you should now go with trial and error. Maybe later it will dawn on you why something works.
    If you can, order confetti in a 30hh or even h. The 28jj was way too big for me and you are not that much bigger than me. Harmony also runs really large from what Ive seen.

  • Oh I wrote an answer here and forgot to post it.

    I do think my best friend really had the same kind of boobs before pregnancy. They would touch in the middle in cups we tried out. Narrow root, very firm. Always what I considered ideal.

    It does make perfect sense about cup depth and how hard the boobs are yes. Softer breasts are so much easier to mould.

  • eliza. Interesting this post about breast density.
    @Vlatka, when your breasts are so dense, you probably don't loose tissue when loosing weight? I never had a mammography, but I suspect my breasts are rather dense too since they are rather firm. And lately I seem to keep the same amount of breast tissue after losing weight. I just lost fat at my band area, but my cup size has become relatively bigger than before.

  • However, I am not sure about the breast density/cup depth ratio. Although I haven't measured her perimeter, my sister clearly has narrower and deeper breasts - she's also more full on bottom and always had softer breasts than me - than I have. But when she's loosing weight, she's always losing a lot of breast tissue too. A lot of Jojo dieting sadly made her boobs very empty and saggy. I think this is a proof her breasts are rather fatty and not very dense.

  • If I lost 15 kilos I would go down about a cup and a half. My boobs just would get a bit more saggy but they would still be very heavy and dense. I went to get an ultrasound checkup, not the mammografy, Its a safe test that can do you no harm.
    Anyway, on density - boobs with more fat and less firbrograndular tissue are more squishable I think and thus can get away with smaller cupsizes regardless of depth and perimeter. Saggy breasts also - they will be more narrow but much longer so the perimeter will seem bigger even though there's not much boob there.
    Your cup size getting bigger after loosing weight can be a migration thing also. But with boobs you can never be sure :)

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  Just some ideas... The reason why the cups gape when moving around is that the straps are too far apart/the armholes are too small. So, when you move your arms the cup follows and it starts gaping.

  The band looks a bit tight at the bottom, but not at the top. I think you, just like me have a quite straight torso. I don't know what you mean by protruding ribcage, but on me, the widest part of my ribcage is below my bust, which seems to be the opposite of what most bras are meant for. That also causes curling.

  What I sometimes do, apart from altering, is that I sometimes use an extender (one good without any elastic) to get an extra set of eyes at the bottom, and then close the back diagonally, so that the top row is tighter than the bottom, based on how it was originally.

  I actually think that this is a reasonably good fit. You probably need the bottom of the bra to be slightly looser, without making it looser along the top of the band, if so, it will ride up. You probably need better armholes.

  I also think that you quite soon when wearing this will find a need for more depth and narrower wires, but I think this would be a good start for you.

  I also think that this is the best size. After some time however I would suggest considering some full-banded Cleo bras, that way you would get a still similar fit but with slightly narrower wires and deeper cup, you might even want to go for a 34HH then as the newer ones are more generous in the cup.

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  • Protruding rib cage I mean that I have a large rib cage that in itself is bigger than other parts of me. Well not bigger than my hips, but still I have a very long side so to speak.

    The diagonally thing was a new thought that I will try out for the bands feeling any close to tight :)

    Also I ended up on your measurements of Lindex by accident and I then saw those bras hade way wider wires than my Freayas and tighter bands so I will go try some Lindex bras tomorrow just for fun :)

    My widest part of my rib cage is somewhere above my boobs.

    When it comes to wires; not on pms I can think about that I could maybe wear narrower wires and then pms (which is the bigger part of my cycle) again I am very clear about nope, not possible. Maybe in the future but certainly not now :)

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