Yay!! Just received this bra like 15 minutes ago and I already love it. This just goes to show how important correct fitting is. I tried this bra in size 30D previously, and tried the original Porcelain (Panache 3376) in 28E, and they both looked awful on me because of poor fit. (See my other review here: http://bratabase.com/browse/panache/porcelain-molded-seamless-underwire-3376/28E/ )
Finally, in size 30DD I have a winner. I cannot tell you how thrilled I am to have a nice t-shirt bra in my size. If you've seen my other bras, you know it's been a struggle.
I hope that in the future ...Panache will choose to make this bra in band size 28 (like the original Porcelain), because this bra has to be fastened on the middle or tightest hook for me. Most of my bras are size 30, but this band is very stretchy (see measurements).
The foam lining is thin (about 1/8" ) and light -- just enough for "camouflage" as it were. The straps, comfortable; and though they look very wide set, for some reason they feel good on me and I'm not very big. Could have something to do with them being somewhat cushioned.
The lace is gorgeous and sexy, especially for a t-shirt bra! It is also very soft and non-irritating. Definitely no machine washing for this baby. The cups are very round... that t-shirt shape which is becoming an American classic (our Continental cousins don't seem to be so bothered by seams and a natural cone shape as we American girls generally are).
Summertime is here, and this should be a great item for the hot weather because the cups have a cotton blend lining and the bra overall is lightweight. My Tisha bra (Le Mystere 955), though flattering, feels like an industrial clunker next to the Porcelain Lace. I'll be having fun with this one.
Purchased from Her Room in late Spring 2010. (Incidentally, this will be my last order from this retailer for a long, long time. I will not recommend them because of customer service issues. Don't worry though! This bra is also available at Bare Necessities, Breakout Bras, and Nordstrom, among others.)
*** UPDATE *** I've been wearing this bra for a couple weeks now and I still love it... I even ordered another one from Breakout Bras. Highly recommended.
Great review of a pretty & comfy bra. I hope to own it soon too if they bring out more colors! ;) Have to agree with Herroom.com as a total nuisance having now dealt with their incompetent and snail-paced customer service for a few weeks now. Good bra find!!
I had a hard time figuring out what didn't quite fit about this bra until I started taking photos. I've pointed at the empty space below & beside the cups. The wire is nowhere near my IMF at all. Not enough projection either.
Comfort-wise this bra isn't nearly as bad as it looks. The band lays mostly flat all the way around and feels surprisingly wearable for a 30. (I wear 28, but I think Clara only comes in 30+)
Clara has a wide-feeling gore. It's quite close at the top (so it fits my close-set boobs) but quickly widens and separates. The gore isn't uncomfortable, but ...I think the end result is a little...... splayed.
But only a little. If I was a true 30, I think the shape would be fine. The side support panels work hard to keep everything forward.
I have tried a lot of Claras because I really like how the Clara style feels & looks on. I find the wide band sits comfortably and the gore also sits fairly smoothly. The lace is too cute and I don't find it scratchy. I like that they provide a side-support panel and feel this adds to the comfort. It's really too bad the wires are so far off where I'd like them......... but if I found a Clara that was comfortable enough to wear anyways, I'd keep it. This 30FF wasn't quite right but the larger 30G ended up being keepable. I'd not buy this bra full price but older colors can be had for < $40 (nude, charcoal). Read more 156 more words
I have a friend who takes photos of every clothing item she tries on and then looks through them before deciding to purchase. I decided to try it with bras and I'm not sure why but it helps me diagnose fit issues and see so much more detail. I do it with every bra now. It's so much easier to see wrinkling at the bottom of cups.
TLDR: Jasmine is a shape mismatch for me, but this bra is so gorgeous that I wore it anyway.
QUALITY: Excellent quality from Panache, stiff wires, sturdy fabric and seams.
FIT: This worked for a little while, but it doesn't have enough immediate projection so it slid down a little in the front as well as wrinkling in the bottom of the cups. The straps are too wide set so they'd slide off when wearing it. The band was comfortable though and it was a comfortable bra to wear until my size changed. Stretch lace was nice for cycle fluctuations.
DESIGN: This bra is so pretty! I saw this ...bra come out new in the Bravissimo web store and just realized I HAD to have one, it's just so pretty. The geometric flower pattern is stunning and laying flat it looks so pretty I just want to pick it up and look closer at it. It still looks pretty when wearing it, but since this bra is a little bit of a shape mismatch on me personally, it doesn't look as amazing as I'd like it to. The blue fabrics chosen to accent the mosaic fabric are fitting color shades and I like that the straps are shiny. The top half of the cup has the signature Jasmine stretch lace, but in blue this round. Read more 116 more words
This is so pretty! I can see why you wear it despite the fit.
It’s not a good shape for me either.
marilynne Right?? I have one in 28G as well, it's just such a beautiful pattern!
Calluna Yah, it feels like the Jasmine is very hit-or-miss.
haha when I had it in 32J it was one of my faves! Its still in a drawer in case I ever lose enough weight. I've lost 10 lb but that just gets me back down to the size I was when I started wearing FBs
TLDR: Another pretty Panache bra, unfortunately a shape mismatch for me.
QUALITY: Excellent quality from Panache. Sturdy seams, nice fabric. Stiff wires like most Panache bras. I bought this in a Bravissimo store location many years ago.
FIT: This bra never really fit me right. It lacks just enough immediate projection that the cups wrinkle and slide down a little during the day, but also the band always rode up on me. It was probably a shape mismatch. The straps were too wide set for me as well, but the cup tension probably wasn't optimal, therfore contributing to that issue. I haven't worn this in a long time so ...it's hard to give a detailed description of fit. I didn't wear it much because the band always sat wrong on me. Stretch lace was a big plus for me when I wore this though!
DESIGN: This bra is pretty. I've always been fond of floral designs and this is no exception. The pink flowers are sweet little color splashes across the black fabric, and I appreciate that the stretch lace also has a floral pattern. I like the loops of string to decorate the straps as well. There's a bow in the middle of the gore, which is nice since I'm a big fan of decorations at the gore. Read more 109 more words
Overall: Best suited for full on bottom shapes with average root width and projection: the cups runs a little small but the band runs a bit bigger. I think 30F will also suit certain 30Es and possibly smaller 32DD/32E
I try to cover all important topics: fabric: I found the lace on this one to be scratchier than others straps: average placed I think! band: fits loose really suited for FoB - this one was a bit big on me but there is no gaping at the top projection: the immediate projection on this one is good, the projection is average. wires: are a tad wide but that might just be me (narrow rooted) COMFORT: an unlined bra with a low gore? yes yes YES this is comfy! (okay if you ignore the scratchy lace https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":D" />
This bra gets top marks for being the most comfortable bra I have owned so far. It fits in the sense that there is minimal wrinkling in the cups, that the fabric doesn’t dig in to any sensitive points (such as the armpits), and the fact the band has a fair amount of give without being too loose. Do bear this in mind if you find you’re in between sizes!
The material is another plus. who doesn’t love soft lace that stretches and doesn’t torture the skin around your underbust?
I’d say it technically doesn’t fit perfectly as the cups do measure rather wide especially for my roots, although I ...think that’s a common design feature of many non-wired, non-padded bras. I haven’t experienced any ill effects, like chafing, because of this.
You may or may not have noticed it gives a more vintage “pointed” look to the bust. Personally, I do like this but I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea hence why I wanted to point this out (mind the unintentional pun).
I will also note that the straps of this bra seem shorter than most I’ve tried. Being 5ft 3 (161cm) I’m rather petite in the torso but I haven’t had to adjust the straps too much.
In conclusion, I really adore this bra and it makes me wonder if the wired full cup version will also treat me well. Read more 122 more words
I had Panache Andorra a few years ago, which is similar in cut to Clara. I can confirm that both bras are rather shallow. my shape: full on top (fot), medium wide tall root, center full projected.
Actually I don't mind the wires on this one... they are quite good in width, height and shape for me. The cups however are quite shallow all over. The bottom part is too shallow and doesn't have enough projection. The wire wants to slide down and I have to adjust the wires up which is annyoing. The top section is made of stretchy lace which is good for fot shape, however there isn't enough room for my boobs in this bra. (I need 34JJ or 32K which they don't make) The band is okay but I would size down to 32 if I could. I like a firm band. I recommend this bra if you have slightly wide, tall and shallow breast shape - and it can work for fot with the stretch lace but maybe size up 1 cup size.
This is a such a beautiful bra!! This color is beautiful too. Such a shame it’s too small in the cup. Do you feel this one is less shallow than the Andorra? Or do you think it’s mostly the same?
braluv I have always admired this Clara style. It's indeed very pretty. I tried Andorra a few years ago but I remember it being similar, here is my review:http://bra.pe/XGO2/
My shape is low set, soft, narrow and short rooted.
This bra came through ebay from Belle Lingerie. I've wanted to try this bra (or the fantasie rebecca spacer bra) for quite some time, so I finally took the plunge. The bra was ordered about 6 weeks ago, so shipping was very slow from the UK to Canada.
The colour is a magenta/purple. It's vibrant and fun. There are tiny matching bows on the straps and gore. The shape is softly rounded, slightly minimized but not squished. The bra is very soft and the material is thin, flexible spacer foam. They are satiny feeling inside and out. If you've ...never tried spacer foam, it's like halfway between a padded and unpadded bra. There is a very thin lining along the cups edge which might cause cutting if the cup is too small (like with me), or if you have lots of upper fullness. I am short rooted, and I think I could wear this in the right size without any gaping. The straps are fairly standard in width, comfortably stretchy but supportive, and fully adjustable. There is a J hook on the back so you can wear this racer back style or regularly. The band and gore area have a lace on them to add something extra to the bra, but the very bottom of the lace band was very mildly irritating against my ribs when slouching. Otherwise this bra is exceptionally comfortable. The band is fairly firm and fairly true to size (maybe a touch under). I could easily wear this 30F on the tighest or loosest hook depending on the day. I could also wear a 28FF quite comfortably I believe, so I'll be watching for this to go on sale in a 28FF. The cups were too small for me, even though I'd read that this cup ran slighly large. I am a true 30F/28FF, as every time I've tried to size down thinking that I'm smaller, it backfires on me and the cup ends up being too small. Why do I keep trying? I'm not sure...
Overall pretty, comfortable, and would be great as an everyday bra. Read more 251 more words
I've tried this bra in a few sizes and keep debating grabbing it for everyday wear. It's not the greatest technical fit but it's good enough and perfect for no show under thin t shirts!
confused yeah, I'm debating if I try it again in 28FF or even 30F. It was a little pricey, but I know if it fits in a different size, I'll probably wear it a lot (especially for work).
I found the band a bit on the firm side if that helps. I think I might have liked the 36 best when I’m normally a 34
confused yes I was comfortable in a 30F, so I'd probably stick with that. I don't like uncomfortably tight bands, especially for work bras.
Great review! It’s a shame it’s too small in the cups! This is a beautiful color. I have this bra in 30F and the band feels super firm to me! But I usually wear 32” because of my measurements. I bet if you wear a 28” you can get away with the 30” size easily. I feel like the wires on this bra are so hard though! I wish they were softer. The racerback feature is a huge plus on this bra imo.
Spacer foam is so comfy though. It’s excellent for the summer/hot weather.
braluv yeah, I'm sure I'd be fine with the 30" band. It felt good, and it was supportive enough for sure. I wasn't sure about the colour when I ordered it, but I like it in person/on.
I’ve wanted to try this one for a while but oh panache hard wires...I just seem to have troubles with them lately.
Calluna I'm thinking of trying it again in 30F even though the 28FF would also fit, but with the harder wires, I don't want things digging in anywhere, so a 30F would probably be safer. I wore this one just sitting in my house for about 20 minutes and it wasn't bothering me at all (usually the upper gore hurts with hard wires). I think that the gore is just low enough that it wasn't hitting my sternum in that "wrong" spot. Who knows how it would be after a whole day of wear though? It is a hard call though because I can get a Comexim for about the same price...so you know....
This is a lovely bra. The pattern is pretty and feminine, the foam padded cups are super soft, and the elastic on the band and straps wide and comfortable. Unfortunately, there was both a shape and size mismatch.
The strap and cup placement was excellent. This is the first bra I've tried that stays far away from my armpits.
On first try, the band seemed tight enough on the loosest hook, but upon trying it backwards and upside down, the band was most comfortable on the tightest hook. It was actually decently tight compared to other 28s I tried, especially by Freya, but I think it would best ...fit a true 28 band (I'm a 26).
The cups were a bigger problem. They were overall too small and I was quadding on my larger side. The horizontal seam in the cup was also awkwardly shaped so that it was pointy and created a tiny gap along it rather than laying flush against the breast.. Under clothing, this created a triangular rather than rounded shape.
The gore was a disaster. It floated about an inch away from my body and half of it was resting on the breast tissue of my larger boob. It's 1" wide and reaches the middle of my breasts, which is way too wide for me since I only have less than a pinky's space in between.
Recommendations are very welcome! Read more 125 more words
You could try a size larger, and it would probably take care of the quading, but with the other issues, it's probably not worth re-trying. Too bad, because it is a very pretty bra, and it suits you. But yeah, I do see the triangular apex on the bra that you photographed....
I got this one in 34JJ which is my normal size but that was a mistake because just like all the other 34's I've tried lately from Panache, this one is also huge in the band. Even on the closest hooks this bra rides up significantly. Stretches to easily over 38 inches long. I have no idea what Panache is doing lately but they need to get their shit together and start making bands the size it says on the tag.
The cup design of this bra is weeeird. Panache says "If you love Tango, try this bra!" but they are not at all similar. Tango is tall like ...this one but it's pretty open at the top whereas this one is very closed. I have no idea who this bra would fit because the shape is super weird at the top. It's so hard to explain but you'd basically need your boob to be "C" shaped?
The gore is the standard width and height here aswell, personally much too high. It doesn't tack on me either.
The cups have decent projection, but that's about the only good thing about this bra tbh. The fabric feels itchy and irritating, it has a pretty lace along the bottom of the band but that irritates the skin. This bra also digs into my armpits. Definitely not keeping this. Read more 116 more words
Thanks for the review. This bra was once on my watchlist, I now cross it off. Itchy fabric and a 34 band that stretches to 38 inch?? That's offensive! They should check their sizing. I also think the bra is too wide and tall for you. Doesn't look like the Tango. It looks more like old style Eliza (long discontinued) it reminds me of that as it was also wide and tall and not very open on top.
I have this for at least a year but didn't wear it very often so I somehow forgot to review it. But it proved to be really light and comfortable during the last extremely warm summer months.
The design is unobtrusive but very pretty. I like the transparent lace, the shiny straps and the lack of big colorful bows. The cup fabric reminds me of old wallpapers. But it's blue and I'm a sucker for blue so that's fine.
Like others have said, the fabric in front is very scratchy on the outside and mildly scratchy on the inside and it doesn't get better with washing. I don't mind that ...but it could be a problem if it's chafing or if you have very sensitive skin. The lace is made of the same soft and stretchy material used on the Panache Andorra and Cleo Kayla and the band consists of a thin breathable mesh.
The fit is different from my other Cleo / Panache bras that tend to push all my breast tissue to the center. It's supportive but my boobs just keep their natural wide and projected shape. I didn't like this at first but it is a welcome change now that I own so many bra that make a super round shape. Also because my boobs get really achy when I only wear ball shaped bras like my Cleo Meg ( http://bra.pe/XYNg/ ) or Marcie ( http://bra.pe/XYLq/ ) for several days. Maybe they want to express their personality and don't like to be forced into an artificial geometric shape all the time https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" />
The wires have the same narrow shape as in my Panache Andorra ( http://bra.pe/XYit/ ). But they are more flexible, so they fit a bit too wide ending about 1.5 cm behind by breast tissue. But they don't poke me and I even find it more comfortable to have the wires sit in a slightly different spot from time to time. The band fits pretty snug but has enough give to remain comfortable during a 12 hour workday.
Quality is great: The color is still really intense and nothing has stretched out after at least 15 washes. Read more 262 more words
I feel you! Still have like 500€ worth of pants hanging around that are just a tiny bit too small. But loosing that last 2kg is so freaking hard.
I'm just not able to wear a Jasmine in my shape. I have tried it in multiple sizes and none have worked. I'm fine with the view from the front, but the side view is pointy due to my soft tissue sinking into the deeper cups. Or something.
But this looks great on you except for the tight band in the back, but I know that it's something that you prefer.
I think pointy look usually means you are more FOB and its a very FOT friendly shape. I mean, its a little bullet-like on me, but I liked that in my shape - i wore it esp under big bulky sweaters to give some shape
Calluna Did you also get the pointy shape in a smaller cup size?
It's kinda hard to predict the shape of Panache bras and for me it also depends a lot on the size. For example the Andorra makes a nice round shape in a 28F but a 30F looks cone like and a 30E is still a bit pointy because the wires are not pulled wide enough. But looking through all the other pictures makes me think that soft vs firm tissue is also a factor.
dbmamaz im only slightly ful on bottom. When I do the leaning over test, my nipples are mostly straight down. They lean towards my face slightly. My 30F Marcie only has a little bit of a gap on my larger side.
aboobaccount pointy in all sizes of Jasmine. Let me compile all the existing pictures of me in Panache bras.
Ok. I apparently didn't get pics of Jasmine in 28F and 28FF or I've already purged them from my phone. I'm sure I had some at some point. In the nude. I'm going to have a second look though. In the meantime, here's everything I have left.
The black Envy is from the time I was first fitted into a 28F. I was surprised when I was able to get it on, but it was hella tight and felt like it was going to ping off any time. I had a valley of flesh under the band. I asked for a 30E. It was more comfortable than the 28F, though the fitter insisted that it was not a good fit (technically). I have also tried Envy in 32DD and 32E, neither pictured, but I can go back to add the 32E which I have still, I think.
Next is Clara. I was pretty happy with the fit in terms of feeling of it though I have a bit of wrinkles at the wire and I spill a little bit in the 30E. I tried a 30FF that day because I was curious about the colour combination. As it was close to fitting, I later went back and tried the 30F. The 30F was the best fit of the 3, but the wrinkles at the wire continued.
Next up is Jasmine in 32DD. Looks great from the front and angle though not the side. I'm sure that I tried it in 28F and 28FF. I'll see I have a valid imgur link for the fit that included one of them or both. I will look through my phone again as well.
From my trip to a shop in Vancouver, I have a 30E Olivia and 30F Ardour. I did try a 30F Olivia and I had a better fit, but I must have purged my pics of it. This one was a good fit but the gore was wide and high. I'm not sure if I could do it all day. I tried a Panache Lois but I was not fond of it. I liked Ardour but worried that it was too shallow. It doesn't look like it is, but I kept feeling like it was trying to or going to slip.
Let me see if I can locate the other Jasmine pics...
Here's the 30F Clara and 28FF Jasmine (and a few other bras). None are the 28F Jasmine but it's not significantly different. You can see the Jasmine is pointy no matter how many sizes I try.
Looks like the Envy and the Jasmine are based on the same cut that causes this pointy profile on you and a smaller band size doesn't change that. So I don't know what the fitter meant by suggesting that the 28F would be a better fit technically. Maybe she was just focusing on your snug and tight under bust measurement that indicate this size. But if the 30 band gives you enough lift and support, and it looks like it does, there is no reason to go tighter.
I only wear a 28F instead of a 30F because it actually gives more support. In most styles the shape is basically the same but in the 28F my breasts litterally don't move at all, which feels more secure when I'm outside or at work.
The Clara looks very nice in a 30F and the seans one the cups are similar to the ones on the Andorra so it could be worth a try but I'm just guessing. The Fantasie Marianna is very pretty indeed. Too bad they always use these stiff ribbons instead of something flexible. I think the Olivia and the Adour are the best shape wise.
I also wonder what the Cleo Hettie or Kayla would look like on you. For me the shape is somewhere between the Marcie and the Andorra.
aboobaccount yes, the styles are similar. Jasmine is a little shorter and the cups are a little bit different, but very close styles. And what she meant was that the way the 28F fit compared with the 30E, it was the better technical fit. The fitter agreed that the style is not right for me though, regardless of size. There were some things that she pointed out that made her feel that way, but some of the things were debunked, for lack of a better word. And the fitters, more than one felt the same way, also said that it has to be comfortable or I would not wear it. So comfort and technical fits might not be the same.
Clara is too shallow with the wrinkles at the wire. Shape is still a bit pointy, but not as bad. But under a work shirt it would not be a problem. I’ve told to try Ava plunge and Andorra...but I’m told Andorra is really pointy. However, since I know other styles work better, I feel like I should get what looks and feels best.
Ardour is nice. I thought that it might be a little bit too shallow but it looks like maybe it’s average projection and possibly doable for shorter periods. Olivia is a good shape but I don’t think that I can manage that gore.
I have keeping my eyes open for a Kayla and Hettie in a 30E at a good price, but I have other bra priorities for now. Im not sure how my soft tissue will react with them since they are known for being deep and projected and that is part of the problem with Envy and Jasmine. I’m looking at maybe getting an Ewa BM in the next month. Or possibly the Ellace in 30F. I have a few in mind...
And yeah...I’m with you on the Fantasie Marianna. I’m curious if a larger size would be a better fit and also if I were to pull the stiff ribbon out if that would do the trick.
Calluna Looking at your pictures again, I think going up a cup size in the Marianna will leave you with even more empty space on the sides. Probably the cup volume is about right in the size you tried but it just doesn't have enough room in the center and the ribbon amplifies this problem. So IMO pulling it out is not worth the risk unless you can get it super cheap.
I have similar problem to with the stiff lining below the lace of my Cleo Zia ( http://bra.pe/Ihd7/ ): It doesn't really cut in but sometimes my breasts decide to swell up during the day and it gets uncomfy. So I thought about doing this alteration ( http://bra.pe/Ig53/ ). But I can't find the Zia in my size anymore and it's one of my favorites which makes me afraid of messing it up.
Interesting. I didn’t think I had a lot of extra space on the sides of the Marianna, but I am center full, so I do lack outer tissue and have trouble filling out the sides in bras.
This was absolute bargain and it's totally underrated! I got it from ebay for about 7€ (last one) and managed to find 2 more for about 20€. The baby blue looks super cute and what appears to be white in the pictures is actually a very light cream or blush (hard to tell). It is almost invisible under a fitted white shirt. My only complaint is that the lace part on top tends to fold over so it looks like it is wrinkling even though the cups are perfectly filled, but you can probably fix this with a few stitches. The shape is very round but a bit ...taller and more projected then my Cleo Marcie (http://bra.pe/XYLq/).
The support is amazing. The whole design is probably overkill for smaller cup sizes. But I can imagine that it works very well for a pair of large, heavy boobs. Mine aren't very big but quite dense and heavy so it feels really nice to get this level of support. The gore is very high: It measures 7.5cm which is about as high as my Cleo Kayla (http://bra.pe/XYLt/). But considering the gap at the bottom of the band it is more like 10cm. It tack very firmly and anchors the upper part of the cups to my sternum so there is no jiggling even when I run or jump. But it also pokes me a little when I try to slouch. The lower elastic of the band is also crossed over in front and attached to the wire channels which makes the center part more rigid.
The cups are almost completely closed on top. It actually feels more like a full cup bra with wide set straps. They are made of two layers with the outer, blue layer for decoration. The lower ¾ of the inner layer are made of a thick mesh that could probably stop bullets. The upper ¼ section is a little stretchy but still firm enough for me to do a handstand without having to adjust my boobs afterward. The wires are firm and quite tall at the sides. But they are narrow enough to follow my IMF without digging in. The band fits incredibly tight (more like a 27) but not in a pinchy or uncomfortable way. It kinda adds to the overall supportive feeling. I'm sure a 30F would be firm enough as well but on some super busy days I actually like having my bra as tight as possible. Quality is also great. I got my oldest one about 5 month ago and it still feels and looks like new.
I like the looks of this bra. Maybe I should check it out. Only thing is tall bras don't usually work for me. Based on your measurements it could work though... doesn't seem too tall based on cup height. I'd definitely try it if I found it at that price, that's for sure!
This is lovely!
The only fault I found with this bra is that the outer fabric is really wrinkly. Some are worse than others (maybe manufacturing error) and I think it's especially true for soft tissue. I love the double layer for support I wish they hadn't discontinued it or at least improved the wrinkling with a new model. So much stretch lace around but not so many bras like this one.
letstalkaboutbras that's good to know, especially since I do have soft tissue. I noticed the wrinkling in the pictures posted actually. I guess it's sort of a moot point since I can't find one leftover online anyways.
I think this bra is so pretty, and it looks great on you! I tried it, but it did not work with my tall roots. I was sad that I had to return it.
Thank you all so much!
@letstalkaboutbras Now I also see the wrinkling, dammit ;-). My breast are very firm and the volume is perfect so I guess it could be worse for someone with soft tissue or if the cups are slightly too large. But a bit of wrinkling is probably unavoidable if you have two layers of fabric that are just connected at the edges.
@Wilderness1 It was a lucky find. I always stalk ebay for discontinued styles, especially http://stores.ebay.co.uk/lingerieoutletstore/ . Sometimes they they have 28 or 30 bands for under 10 Pounds (14 $).
My shape: mid-height center-set slightly conical teardrop with lots of immediate projection; super wide and tall roots, close center tissue, and allover fullness that gives me similar fitting issues to shallow breasts; and firm self-supporting tissue that fights back and doesn't like to be pushed around.
This review is for a gently used ebay purchase in the Caribbean Blue colorway.
For starters, in case there was any doubt, I should point out that this bra is sheer. Only the lower outside part of the cup is lined, which could make for a great summer bra. For me, the exposed lace just made it a little itchy (you can see the ...slight redness it caused on the photos of the wire marks). Since this bra has supposedly been washed before, I can't assume it will get any better. With a combination of very sensitive skin, a recent struggle with mysteriously recurring hives, and ADHD's sensitivity to irritations, this is a deal-breaker for me. On the other hand, the tag doesn't scratch and I never noticed it at all.
The band fits alright, I suppose. I'm not 100% sure how stretched out the elastic is from wear by previous owners, but either way I was still on the tightest set of hooks. I suspected from reviews that I would need a 28, but, not knowing for sure, took the chance. It doesn't ride up or shift, but I can still pull it away quite a bit on the tightest set, and it feels loose. I think my underbust measurement has shrunk a little lately, though, which may also have something to do with it.
The straps are quite stretchy, which surprised me. They seem supportive enough for me, given how slim they are, but I have self-supporting breasts and this might be important to some people.
The gore is low-ish, but still pokes. Shifting the wires around didn't seem to help much, but compared to the plunges I used to wear the gore is pretty tall. Panache plunges are not very plunge-y. https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" />
On to the cups, which are the real interesting part: There seems to be enough inner fullness by the gore, which is great. The immediate projection from the wire at the bottom is ok but I still need more, which means the wires want to creep down, especially before swooping-and-scooping. I also noticed loose fabric wrinkling across the top of both cups, which is made worse by reaching or slouching and I think also indicates that the bra anticipates a little more upper fullness than I have. It's possible that some of this would be made better by a 30F (or 28FF), but I'll have to find one before I can try it and know for certain. The fit issues, or possibly the fact that it's a cup size too large, give me a fairly pointy profile, especially if my nipples push out on the horizontal seam.
The wires are a decent length, I think, but the wrong shape for my underarm-tissue and roots, which are flattened curves reaching back to my shoulder blades (like the Nike swoosh). The wings are also slightly too tall to dodge the tissue there, so it pokes just a little as though it were actually too short, although I didn't notice this until I saw the marks when I took the bra off. The outside-bottom part of the curve is also too wide and misses the InfraMammary Fold (such as mine is, which admittedly isn't much).
Summary: Probably not for me, and I guess I am slightly conical and maybe a little FOB? Read more 491 more words
Appearance: Beautiful, delicate, neutral lace. It look like fairy wings. Hello summer nude!
But oh the pain. If Panache wires pain you, you know what I'm talking about. Putting this bra on hurts. A band size up might less that slightly (but not entirely, and then it would ride up too). I can feel the wire pressing in at the gore, below my boobs and oh dear lort on the sides. The wires are too wide and too long, digging into my uncushioned, unprotected ribs. Its hard to review anything else about this bra because all I want to do is take it off.
Amazing depth/projection. All around ...too - at the apex, IMF, top, sides and center. Probably due to the way Panache sews the center seam( (from side to gore instead of from strap to gore) Creates a natural, slightly pointed shape (not the ball round shape of cleo). Surprisingly fairly front and center.
The top lace of the bra is a little loose (lays flat with a deep breath and my shoulders back) and a cup size down would clearly be too small. If you're more FOT than I am or if you have average-tall boobs you probably won't notice this issue.
I'm sorry, I can't write anymore. I have to remove this wolf in sheep's clothing. If you need lots of projection and Panache firm or wide wires don't bother you - this may be a great bra to try. For me, I'll stick with unlined Freya and EM styles. Read more 148 more words
A very accurate and funny description of Panache wires. 😀
When I first started on my bra journey, i'd been wearing cotton wireless bras from Decent Exposure for like 20 years, and discovered I was a 32J. Nothing but Panache really seemed to give me the support I needed, but wow was that a rough transition. I sometimes said I felt like I had hardware strapped to my chest. (actually it turns out that Envy, the first panache I tried, hit me in just the wrong place and was always more painful than my floris)
Yikes! I know exactly what you are writing about. No more Panache or Cleo bras for me. Although my ribs are flared and look padded, there is no padding on my ribs. My body HATES Panache wires. Seriously.
I have been meaning to post a question about this. I grew, bought bigger cup size bras (not just panache), and some/ most of them DIG into my ribs. I think it is the extra weight of my breasts ? My ribs are also flared, and it feel like the wires are just pressing between 2 ribs to sit on the lower one. Longer post when I have more time....
veggiechic Is it all the time or only when slouching? Is the wire staying in your IMF? I have some bras that only slip on one side and cause the problem you mentioned. I do think it is from the weight.
veggiechic Or maybe your immediate projection needs changed. Seems like not all bras stay the same as sizes change. For instance, a CHP is not projected enough in my size and slips. Your new bras could be like that.
sometimes bending the wires helps. I agree w the slouching thing. I have to re-adjust my bra a fwe times a day. I also have ot do the 'reverse swoop and scoop' because most bras dont have enouhg space for my center fullness. and someone else (I'm sorry i'm so bad w names) started replacing her wires with wires that fit her better - one company came out w wires that are less curved and more flat at the bottom, because many of us dont have curved IMF, but fairly flat ones
It's me!
If a bra fits you great it's super easy to change out wires and so cheap! I get mine from Porcelynne and there are a few other places to get them too. I get flat wires because my IMF is flat. I'm wearing a bra right now where I replaced the wires. They used to dig in but now they stay in my IMF with no discomfort.
The bras tend to be bearable when I am standing up, but if I sit, I guess that changes my rib shape, and it becomes very uncomfortable. I to end up with red lines/ dents at a specific spot under each breast. If I was looking at a breast like a clock, it would be at the 5 or 7, basically closer to my side. I got some band extenders, which helps there to be less pressure, but my breasts aren't supported as well, and I can pull the band quite far from my body.
My shape: Projected, narrow, shorter roots, even/functionally full on bottom, soft tissue. Cleo Lily fits me best.
This bra fits true to size in the band, and probably true to size in the cups (or maybe a little small?). My larger side is too big for most of my bras right now, so that's skewing my assessment, unfortunately. I may wait a week or two and try it on again.
I was worried this bra wouldn't have enough depth at the wire, and I was right. As much as I tried shoving the wires up, I couldn't get them all the way into my IMF. The wires are also too wide for me, so I think that's contributing to the empty space at the bottom of the cups.
I was really hoping this bra would work for me, but sadly it will be returned.
It amazing to me that even in a 4 part cup it's still too shallow at the bottom. Why is it just Poland that's figured out how to do immediate depth in a padded bra??
Yep, I'd have a wardrobe full of Claras if it fit. So pretty! I've always liked the slate, gold and lavender colorways. I've also noticed that dropping 1 or 2 cup sizes had helped me with Panache bras that were previously very uncomfortable on me.
I've been looking at this bra for a while and the review is very encouraging.
This bra looks beautiful on you. The Panache Clara is soooo gorgeous, I wish it were a very deep plunge, to suit my sternum.
Jasmine is currently my best fitting bra, with Ewa's SF coming in second (but one cup size up from this).
So i decided I needed a second one, but not in black. I almost bought this bra when it was on sale (not much on sale, really. Like $10 off) But it sold out in my size! I was determined to buy the new blue floral coming out SS 2017 AS SOON as it hit amazon - but it came out missing several J and JJ sizes, including 32JJ. Luckily this one came back in stock and I scooped it up!
It seems to fit slightly ...smaller than my last Jasmine - or maybe I'm still gaining weight (cry!). No quadding, but no extra room up top. Similarly rough fabric to my black jasmine. But as usual, Jasmine gives me great projection so my breasts dont fold on the bottom, like they do in Ewas. The band and wire are very firm, needing only maybe one adjustment throughout the day, as opposed to every two hours with Ewas.
Yay for panache Jasmine!! in blue! Read more 83 more words
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Beautiful bra and great fit! Glad you are so happy with it!
Yay! I'm glad you got your blue Jasmine.
Amazon price fluctuations are crazy! I just got a 34G Panache Dahlia that had been $49, then $22, $27, back up to $49, then down to $21 when I bought it. The day after it was down another dollar, now it's $55. Not different sellers either, every time the seller was Amazon.com.
If you can wait and check prices every so often you can save a lot of money.
Wow this Jasmine looks much better irl than advertised online! Looks great on you :)
I agree Jasmine's fabric is a bit rough. But still a well designed bra with a forgiving fit!
I love this print. It reminds me of summer days. The fit is also beautiful.
You'll notice that the color changes between my pictures - I dont think its quite that bright, super-vivid blue that it looks like in some of these pics tho. Idk, its upstairs hanging on a hanger in my shower tho lol - measured it, washed it!
It is much nicer than the stock pictures looked .. and the fit is really nice . No wonder it feels better than than your others look at that depth almost two inches deeper than your ewa's . Actually two inches that I need, I need to pick up a Jasmine to try . Though scratchy fabric sounds meh
yeah, it gives the boobies room to stretch out! When i started this journey, I kept saying they were so soft, they'd flow like water in to any shape. It took a long time to realize thats not quite true. They are long and omega.
This bra looks great, is really comfortable, but the shape under clothing is a bit meh. Is ok for a low v-neck top or purely for seduction purposes. Like, I solely wear this bra around the house if there is a chance of nookie forecast but I don't want to commit to the whole seduction outfit.
I've finally bought my first spacer bra and I've chosen Panache Cari in Cashmere. I'm really glad I did ti because it's comfortable and almost invisible under white shirts so perfect for summer. It's true to size but I think the band will loose quickly. Cups are moderately deep and they fit my shallower breasts. They give me really rounded shape and maybe little minimizing. For more information, read my review on my blog.
Great review of a pretty & comfy bra. I hope to own it soon too if they bring out more colors! ;) Have to agree with Herroom.com as a total nuisance having now dealt with their incompetent and snail-paced customer service for a few weeks now. Good bra find!!