This is a beautiful bra. The lace is lovely and I really like the colour. It could work as a nude on a lot of skin tones. The cups are fairly projected and lightly padded, and the foam is nice and soft against your skin. The 28G fits me really well, I think. I get a very small amount of quad boob on my larger side. The band is nice and snug and the overall comfort is good. I do find the wires a little long so they are rubbing into my armpits a bit, and the gore digs into my sternum slightly. While I love the aesthetics ...of this bra, I do get a bit of an upside-down 7 shape with it, especially on my larger side. Overall, I'm happy with this bra. My breasts are narrow, soft and pendulous with a FOB, centre-full shape and lots of projection just above the wire.
Update- Having worn this for a full day, I can tell it doesn't have enough projection above the wire. The underwire marks are more than an inch below my IMF when I take it off. Read more 81 more words
So beautiful. I think you get this sorta upside down seven shape from this bra because it is still a little too shallow for you. Looks like the cup is trying to collapse under your breast. I hope it continues to get more comfortable with wash and wear because it's gorgeous on you! ^.^
Thanks, LeProfessor. That might be true. My smaller side looks better- less droopy.
After searching for a bra with the perfect fit, I finally found it! I am so happy, because I don't experience any poking or digging in (unless I let my posture slide!) and I fill out the cups perfectly. There is very little wrinkling and they fit me smoothly with no cutting in. I was wary of the lacy part at the tops of the cups, but it is't itchy at all and the rest of the bra is made out of a nice and silky material.
The quality is really good (at least, from what I have seen of bras) and the overall design is ...incredibly gorgeous and sexy. I just wish that this bra came in more colors, because I definitely want to get more! I don't feel like I am being strapped into some sort of boulder-holder because the straps are reasonably narrow.
Unlike the Freya Rio and the Panache Tango II balconette, the cups do not come up nearly as high, which suits my shape quite well. Too much material at the top of the cup means that I get unwanted wrinkles when the rest of the cup is perfectly filled out. This bra works much better for my low cut tops and I was even brave enough to wear it under a light tanktop without any peeking or seam/lace show-through.
This is my favorite bra so far!
Measurements for this bra (and my other 28Gs) will be coming as soon as I can get the time to properly measure them all! Read more 151 more words
So I made it to LA after a full day of travel yesterday (partly because we opted to leave a lot earlier than we actually needed to but we were cautious in case of weather delays) and I convinced hubby that we should grab a lyft to Jenette Bras on Santa Monica Blvd today, as the convention officially starts tomorrow, making today a free day for us. He was quite happy to stay out in the waiting area as they were playing a great Spotify playlist of his favourite stuff and they had a photography book that had lots of musicians he liked (book was by a fellow ...that was a photographer for a lot of musicians in the early 80s or something like that).
They pretty much took me at my word for my size and evaluated the fit of the bra I was wearing today (65FF BM Cabernet) which she agreed fit but she did adjust the straps a little bit tighter. She pulled out a few things from the drawers, and I went out to them and grabbed a few. One of the bras that she had grabbed for me was a 28G Envy in a beautiful blue...it’s called Navy, but mine seemed like it had a tinge of teal in it, but maybe it’s a trick of the lighting? Seriously though, this colour is really stunning! On my own, I went to look at the drawers in my size range and pick out some stuff, and I came across 28FF Jasmine in caramel, a bra in a size that I’ve actually tried before (but never got any pictures of up here). I just reviewed that here before this one.
Now traditionally, Envy and Jasmine have not been my friends. They are too projected at the apex, and in the case of Envy, too tall. However, I have had some growth since the summer and it’s evened me out some with a little bit more tissue/volume on top that I did not have prior. My lack of upper tissue and softer, pendulous, fob breasts is often a problem for this kind of bra style, so I usually end up with a bit of a pointy shape because I just sink into the cups and fill the space until it’s done and then I often have spread out so forward in that deep apex that I no longer have enough tissue to round out in the bra on top. Given that I am somewhat more full on top now than the last time, I thought I would try them again and see if it is still a shape mismatch or if it’s a better fit.
In the case of the Jasmine, this was definitely the case. I got a bit more of a rounded and fuller profile than I have had in the past. I don’t know if it’s because of the size or the increased fullness. With this bra, I feel like I am getting a little bit better shape than I have, but it’s still a little bit pointy on me. It’s not as bad as it has been. I’ll have to see if I can find other pictures of me in various sizes of Envy, because I have certainly tried more than a few sizes.
As with the 28FF Jasmine, I felt like the band was tight. The fitter thought that it was the right size and not too tight or putting too much strain on the hooks. It’s making me reconsider the 28G Lily I have. That said, I’m sure that I would still be a bit more comfortable in the 30 band for now. I was unsure if the cups would be a better fit in the 28FF, but when I tried it, I had a small amount of cutting in, so it is definitely a better fit in the cups in the 28G.
I don’t quite fill the bottom of the cups, and if you look closely at the images, you’ll see the wrinkles at the wire. To me, it’s not a huge problem, as I do not think that it’s going to be a problem with my imf. But it’s a bit annoying still that I don’t have a smooth cup there. I am pendulous and definitely need a bit of immediate depth.
I still think that it’s a bit too tall for me and a bit of a shape mismatch, but I think that it’s a little bit better of a fit for me now with my increased growth. I do love the Envy’s signature houndstooth print on the lower half of the cup as well as the colour of this one. They do have a great selection of colours for this style.
The big question is probably if I would buy one, and I think that it would be dependent on the size and colour, but also the price, because I know that it’s not a perfect fit, but it’s a doable one that might be a good fit for me under my work uniform.
Update: I have found the various fit request albums that included the Envy in various sizes and included the screenshots in the gallery for the 28G that I am reviewing here.
The 32E (peacock) is the oldest and from the trip I took with my husband to England for our 20th anniversary in October 2016. It’s back when I was still wearing 32 bands.
The 28F (black) and 30E (beige) are from January 2018, so a little bit more than a year ago. I went to the local specialty shop we had at the time feeling confident about my size but agreed to get measured anyway and they told me that I was a 28F. I agreed to try the 28F in Envy, as it was the only one that they had, and I surprisingly got it done up, but it felt really tight, and I asked them for the 30E to compare. The 30E felt better in the band but the fitter was insisting that it was not as good a fit as the 28F, at least technically, though agreed that it was a shape mismatch and not a good style for me anyway.
Hopefully the extra pictures are helpful in comparing the fits in Envy I have had in the past with the 28G of this review. Personally, I see a small difference, but not a huge difference. Read more 967 more words
oh wow the peacock and the navy are really gorgeous colors. Beautiful! Visually they really do look fine, even the peacock tried earlier looks quite passable on my screen. I agree the difference is not especially striking.
So, idk, I don't think there is a right or wrong answer... if you love it go for it! But this is pretty subjective... if it doesn't feel all that great and you aren't a fan of the shape, that is a totally valid reason not to buy/keep this one. Shape and coverage-wise this would not bug me, on my own body that is. I do like a good old traditional full or nearly full coverage style and I am not averse to a bit of retro pointiness either. That's why I enjoyed the Prima Donna Deauville when i could find it! Then again, Prima Donna has very soft wires so I found even PD full cups sat very lightly on the body so to speak, whereas it sounds like maybe this was a little much. Panaches like Envy/Jasmine are "a lot of bra" compared to other options in your size range, so, perhaps it's overengineered compared to what you need.
Also FWIW I'm not a fan of fitters assuring you a band is fine if you feel it's too tight... you know your body... Especially for bras with notably hard wires--nobody wants those bad boys embedded halfway into their pancreas tyvm.
If I were you, I wouldn't even be trying 28 bands anymore. So far few seem to have worked, which is fine, sometimes the measurements don't match how we feel. I know in my case it was like that and I decided to just stop torturing myself with a smaller band when I clearly am more comfy in larger.
Anyway, I tried Envy when I thought I was a 34E (and got it in that size) and I was not at all impressed with the fabrics and just the bra overall seemed more like body armor (for something looking so delicate).
Such a lovely color! Amazon often has Envy available at good prices and with free returns if you are interested enough.
And glad the weather didn't impede your travels! :-)
The colours are pretty :) I think that the amount of fit or style compromises that it makes sense to make really depend on your other options. If it's already hard to find anything that fits, then something wearable but with a few flaws is the best option available, maybe even some bra surgery or alterations are worth trying. If however, you already have better fitting, comfier and prettier option in your bra drawer or that you can buy, I fear that a bra that's just meh will end up gathering dust and not being worn, so it's not really worth buying in my opinion :)
I'm happy you were able to go there and had a good experience!
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I did try on some Prima Donna, Simone Perele, and some of the other French brands but I didn’t document anything that I tried on. I could probably try to find the names on the site and match visually, but as many were 30G and didn’t fit, I think that it was not worth reporting on. As far as trying the 28 bands, they only had Panache and Cleo in 28s, so it was really the only chance that I had to try them on and gage cup fit. That said, one of them was a Cleo Mimi in 28GG, which was too large in the cup but was perfectly fine in the band, so it is really dependent on how big or stretchy the band is. But yes, mostly I need 30 for comfort. Or at least 29” stretched, whichever size fits like that. The peacock and navy are so rich and beautiful, and there are a ton of beautiful shades. Ultimately, I don’t think that I would buy it unless I was able to get a 30FF for super cheap and it fit as well as this, but I also have so many other bras that fit me better that I would probably not look at this one. Jasmine is a more noticeably better fit with my size and shape changes.
For the record, does this 28G Navy Envy look like it fits any better than the others or about the same? Also, I will say that although it was a bit tight, I feel like it was not as tight as it was when I first tried the 28s. That said, back then, my snug under bust measurement was closer to 29” (28.75-29.25”) and now it is closer to 28” (28-28.5”). So maybe it’s not as bad as then because of this? But like I said, I prefer 29” minimum, whatever size it comes from, so I am kind of in between the 28 and 30.
It is frustrating being between sizes, sorry honey. :-(
I think the older photos aren't really comparable since your size and fullness has changed, so comparing the older photos at different sizes vs the newer ones is tricky.
I know the Panache bras I have tried (like most brands) vary with each bra you try, so even if you try the exact same model and colorway, you likely will experience a slightly different fit. It is more of a bra by bra trial and error experience.
Are you going to be able to buy any bras on this trip, or is it more of a solidifying your wish list for future buys situation?
I won’t be buying anything on this trip unless I’m able to get to the Nordstrom rack, but when I was there last, they didn’t have any bras. But that was a year ago. This trip is expensive as it is, with some things that are limited to this convention, like a picture with Catherine Tate, whereas I can buy a bra any time, you know? I mean, I might see some of the guests at other cons, but this is a grab it while you can kind of thing, and I prioritize it higher than more bras. Plus, I am getting the 65G S bras this evening. So I’m still getting bras on the trip. I guess I was just trying to figure out if I fit it/them better now BECAUSE of the growth which is why I added the older pics of how it has fit in the past.
Completely understandable. Hopefully your trip is enjoyable and your bra treasure tonight fits beautifully. :-)
agh.. I don't think I can judge confidently about the relative merits (or not) of the navy Envy because on my screen it is a bit hard to tell due to the darker color. But as you say, it's a moot point when you have so many preferred options: on paper you're a very decent match for this Panache shape because you have only moderate root height and a pretty straight tapered upper boob curve, but in reality it sounds like it's just meh in terms of comfort and preferred appearance. And I agree with both you and brasaremean about 28s, you prob only want to consider those in brands known for stretchiness. Was it you who said you had a little rib flare (one or two ribs a bit out of alignment just below the bra band)? If so, I think that is an important factor in sensitivity to tight bands for a lot of people. I have a slight prominence difference in the ribs, sort of between the front and side of my body, right where many underwires settle, and that's the reason I can tolerate much tighter non-wired bras than wired ones--those ribs don't like being gouged!
This looks pretty good on you, but the band is pulling the wires too wide. It certainly doesn’t look any better than the 30E.
I would take the fitters advice with a grain of salt especially if this was the only bra she had left in this size. Maybe they don’t sell too many 28Fs and she finally wanted to get rid of it.
The fitter was not being any more aggressive about this one than others that I had tried, which is to say that she was not aggressive at all. I simply asked her opinion about the fits of the 28 bands and she gave me her thoughts.
The fitter was not being any more aggressive about this one than others that I had tried, which is to say that she was not aggressive at all. I simply asked her opinion about the fits of the 28 bands and she gave me her thoughts.
I really like this bra! The cups fit well and give a nice rounded shape. It's also pretty comfortable with minimal adjusting throughout the day. The wire is a little high in the center and on the sides since I am petite, and slightly scratchy overall. I really wish there was a smoother version of this bra or a seamless one with a similar shape. The band is looser than I was expecting from Panache (I could use a band smaller than 28 anyway) and the front fabric under the wire folds in/under, doesn't lay flat. Pros: Nice rounded shape, cups lay flat and smooth at the top of the chest cons: embroidery is raised above the cups, if you're petite it might poke you
I love this bra! I much prefer it to the Freya Rio bra I own. The material is very nice and soft/silky and feels much better on my skin than the somewhat itchy mesh material. I also love the embroidered leaves because they make the bra look quite pretty. The vermillion red color is also very lovely.
The straps are also thinner than the Freya Ro bra, which I prefer because I am very petite and I do not feel that a bulky bra suits me terribly well. They are also less prone to show.
My two main problems with this bra were that I ...could comfortably fasten the bra on the tightest hook (not good!), but this is probably because my ribcage is small and would suit a 26 band. The band also seems somewhat less stretchy than Freya.
My second problem is that even though the bra fits, the underwires at the center gore poke into my breast tissue. I am going to purchase the Tango Plunge bra to see if this will alleviate the problem.
And yes, the wires are broader than those in the Freya band and yes they do go under one's armpits. This is not a problem for me because I haven't experienced any poking whatsoever.
The shape that this bra gives me is quite nice because it really helps to emphasize my tiny waist and curves. My breasts get a pleasant round shape to them, which I appreciate. I also prefer the lower line the cups make. They don't go too high on me like my Freya Rio, they go to just the perfect level.
I do get wrinkling where the strap meets the underwire, but this is because my breasts are fuller on the bottom than they are on the top.
This is my favorite bra so far!
Please be patient! I will be adding measurements for this bra soon! Read more 214 more words
Beautiful bra in peacock blue, this is my first experience with Size 28G and OH MY GOD my boobs actually feel supported, I can't fit two fists in the band and the weight of my boobs dosen't seem to be all in the straps. However, the gore is too wide and I think the wires are too.
I have been eyeing this bra. I don't think it will work for me. I got the Jasmine in today and that really didn't work. I know I'm FoT but have soft tissue and somehow these bras make everything sink downwards lol The wires were pretty wide on the Jasmine as well.
I actually got it from someone who should've been wearing a 30-32 band. So that's why the wires were SUPER wide
marilynne Oh I see! It's difficult to find the 'perfect' bra. I mean nothing in life is perfect but you know what I mean? I do like my Cleo Marcie though. It's super nice!
This bra is very comfortable and I love how full coverage it is. It really reduces the jiggle that comes with very soft breast tissue and I feel fairly well supported for such a lacy bra. The stretch lace is amazing- it makes both cups fit really well and my marked asymmetry barely noticeable. No matter how I move my body, there is zero quadding and zero gapping on either side. It's genius. The dark red lace is gorgeous and the band is small enough for me. The cups are definitely wider than I need, but the wires aren't stabbing or digging in anywhere. The gore starts feeling pokey, but only after about 4 hours, and a cotton ball does the trick. My least favourite thing about this bra is the somewhat pointed profile it gives me. I prefer a very rounded look. My breasts are short rooted, narrow, centre full & pendulous.
This looks really good on you. The colour looks great on your skin tone. It doesn't look pointy to me, just more natural shaped... and it looks rounded under your shirt.
Thanks, Wilderness. I agree, it looks less pointy under a shirt. I'm pretty happy with it.
I’ve been told that it’s a pointy bra and have stayed away from it but sometimes I think I might be ok with it if I just wore it under my work uniform for the pharmacy because my scrubs top is pretty loose and shapeless on top anyway. I think that I would be able to get away with this one or Clara if I found a really cheap 30FF.
Calluna- I tried Jasmine in a 28G, and it fit pretty well but was very pointy. This is definitely less pointy. I like this Andorra a lot more than I expected.
Good to know. I have Great front views in Jasmine and Envy but side view is pointy on both. Envy is worse. Clara was not as bad, and Olivia is quite nice but high gore.
This was my first bra from Panache! I went for a 28 but I should have picked a 30. I don't wear it often, because it gives a conical shape to my breast, which I don't really like! But it was nice, at the time, to discover a bra cup that actually covered all my breast tissue!
This is a great every day bra. Comfortable, with a smooth sillhouette under clothes. It provides almost full coverage and decent separation, which I like. The wires are wider and wings higher than I'd prefer, but its still wearable.
This bra is AMAZING! I am so happy I bought this bra. It is so smooth and light, and my breasts actually stay in the cups. This bra actually makes me feel proportional, not like I'm wearing a massive bra to hold up a massive chest. I have aready bought another one!
I don't like lace, but I'm looking for another lace bra. I prefer nude underwear, but I bought tangerine undies to match this bra. This is the first Panache bra I can describe as comfortable. Although the fit is imperfect, it is the only unlined bra comfortable enough for me to keep.
Here are "opportunities for improvement": 1. More immediate projection to reduce wrinkles at the base of the cups. 2. Narrower wires 3. Shorter cups 4. Narrower gore
The stretchy lace gently relocates my projected tissue into the wider cups which results in a minimized profile. My shirts will rejoice. https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /> Too wide wires combined with ...my soft tissue allow my center fullness to find other space. And, the side slings prevent my tissue from painfully pressing against the wire: keeps tissue forward. https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /> https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /> Remarkably, despite the too wide cups, my armpits remain chafing free. Panache designed the Andorra with comfort in mind: finally. Surprisingly, my very prominent nipples do not require shields despite the cold temperature. And, the tangerine color is lovely--not brash. The band is firm and supportive. This bra is an excellent choice for average projected, average width, even breasts. The height of the gore, however, may be problematic for close set breasts. Finally, a Panache bra I will happily wear!
PS: I just chased my six-year-old around the house and jumped on a trampoline without holding my chest in pain. This bra is more supportive than I imagined! More please https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /> Read more 158 more words
This is the 3rd time I’ve tried this bra. Previously 28F, 28FF, & 30F didn't work.
This is a gorgeous bra and I love this color - Blue/Rose Ash. Unfortunately, this style doesn't seem to work with my soft, center-full breasts. After a few minutes, I get a quad effect on the lower center of the plunge, worse on my larger side. I also get a quad effect within the cup from the side sling and seam of the bra. Interestingly, the odd shape isn't apparent under clothes. I tried it with several tops.
The band is quite snug. I still have this bra in 28F - barely ...tried it on a few times, & that band feels looser. If I were to keep this bra, I'd probably wear it with an extender for a while.
I had to shorten the strap on my smaller side & noted some irritation at the ToS area. The wires are longer than I prefer, but not uncomfortable.
I liked the rounded appearance under clothes. If I needed another bra, I'd keep it. But I’m likely going to return it. Read more 80 more words
holy cup width galore!! I was told this bra runs small in the cup, which I think is true but it is also so shallow I am not sure?? I think sizing down to a 28FF would only exacerbate my discomfort as the bra seems projected enough at the front- there is just so much wrinkling at the sides and I feel as if the wires will wrap around my back like a cage lol. The wires are also very strong so they dig in painfully at my sternum, again, that may be remedied by sizing down in the cup but then it wouldn’t be projected enough for ...my breasts. also this bra is so see through!! it’s very sexy, however, I was a bit skeptical when opening my package…like I paid how much…for this???!! It’s probably just me being used to padded, moulded bras, but still, I feel naked. The bead detailing at the gore is cute though, I liked the detail and the overlapping wire channels at the gore. the lace sits just right on me at the front, with no quadding. Ugh I wish this fit me, it’s gorgeous and a perfect summer bra. If only the wires were a bit more narrow… I wish I knew how to alter the wires to be narrower as well. Oh well, I will be selling this, and I hope whoever gets it finds it to fit better than I did ;-; Read more 134 more words
Fits ribcage 27 B. perimeter 11 Stretched Band 29.0 Band Length 20.0 Stretch ratio 1.5 Cup width 5.7 Cup depth 10.2 Depth ratio 1.8 Wire length 10.0 Cup height 7.0 Cup separation 1.0 Gore height 0.8 Wing height 3.5 Strap width 0.6 Strap length 14 Hooks 2
Where is this nutty idea coming from, that this style is super duper ultra mega ginormous or runs a size large?
I'm going to need someone to explain this. When I tried it in my size the first time, it was insanely tiny with a cramped fit, low coverage. A month or so later i redid calculated size as i am constantly doing each week, and Tango in a size up seems to be adequate. ...
Top is not cutting in, but I can feel some light pressure where it wants to press my upper breast downward.
Bottom is in IMF but again, can feel the extremely shallow first half inch want to ride down.
Both of these things aggravate the underwires, which are literally flipped sideways and twiddling at the center. The front of the band just under center of each wire has lifted and hovering outward, which seems to be the fault of there being no solid frame around the cups to anchor this style at all.
Materials are less quality than the tango in black, this feels closer to VS level quality. Built from materials that will not endure more than a season or 2.
Will have a dig about in the craft box and see what can be done to stabilize where a wing should have been, take in the gore a bit and see if that doesn't 'open up' the fit at all. Read more 165 more words
Fits ribcage 27 B. perimeter 11.3 Stretched Band 30.0 Band Length 22.0 Stretch ratio 1.4 Cup width 5.5 Cup depth 10.3 Depth ratio 1.9 Wire length 12.0 Cup height 7.7 Cup separation 0.75 Gore height 3.5 Wing height 4..25 Strap width 0.6 Strap length 14 Hooks 2
Really comfortable and fits well. Not sure if a 28GG would be better, but this is pretty darn good! The red floral pattern is very elegant, and this stretch lace is like magic.
Lovely!