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• People do this, but I thought it was mostly so that your boobs don't make certain sleeping positions uncomfortable. What do you mean by flying? (note that in my head I pictured someone jogging in their sleep)

  EDIT: DON'T SLEEP IN AN UNDERWIRE BRA. BAD FOR THE BRA AND FOR YOU.

• Well, every time you move they sort of have a mind of thier own, go who knows where in drastic manners, and that hurts also.

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• It really depends on your shape. Some people who wear say... 30E can look bigger than I do at 32FF and 32G (sometimes 30 bands). I have very little projection, so I will often look like I have smaller breasts than someone but have more volume. You could easily look larger than me even though your measurements are smaller in every dimension (27 tight, 39.5 standing, 42 leaning over, and 38.5 on my back).

• @Jillsas interesting, because I have seen girls wearing sizes bigger than me who looked smaller, as well as girls wearing sizes smaller than me who looked bigger. I think most of my volume is in projection- like I look biggest from the side if that makes sense.

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• *hugs*

  Air trapping?

• Hope you're feeling even better today :-)

  Enjoy your "smaller" self while you can...especially during asthma flares. The swells will come back soon enough. I don't gain weight either, and I lose it easily...and, of course, the first place I lose it is by boobs. Not my hips... or my tummy...so such luck.

  Stay away from tight bands! You need to stay calm an relaxed. Tight bands can cause stress when asthma acts up.

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Bras Can Lift More Than Your Boobs!

Yesterday was just a crummy day for lots of reasons.Finally I put on my silk Rosie bra,my best fitting one at the moment,(and it fits best right now),and actually went to sleep wearing it.When I first put it on it instantly lifted my mood,and made me feel a bit better about how I looked in my pms state as it made my dress fit better.It's crazy how much clothes can affect my mood.

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• Yay! Go Rosie!

  (I agree completely about the mood lift, too)

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• The first link I would say isn't showing shallowness at all, it is showing fullness. The first one is slightly empty, the last one very full and the middle one... well medium. You can have shallow full breasts and shallow half-empty breasts. Shallowness is about projection in relationship to the size of the base of your breast.

• Geez - based on those links I'm "Medium" (or even full, which I know for sure makes no sense), and not shallow. However, I've learned that I am indeed shallow. My breast roots are wide, but relative to my wide root, my projection is less. I wouldn't try to follow the information on those links because they are meant to simplify an issue that turns out to be remarkably complicated! They don't take the base of the breasts into consideration, and they all look "balanced".

  (I based my comments on how I look without a bra, because I assumed that's what the images were trying to show. If they are supposed to show breasts in a bra I am completely confused by them.)

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My Freya Lauren

God damn, this bra makes my boobs look bangin'!

Look at it!

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I know that the Lauren is the only one of its cut that Freya makes, but are there any of their unpadded stuff that fits similarly?

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• Wow! I got a Deco that fits! I'll have to try the Lauren.

• Lol I love your enthusiasm!

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• In my opinion there's actually a third breast shape that acts shallow, even though it doesn't have reduced projection: conical breasts. Conical breasts simply lack 'roundness' and therefore volume, but they project 'normally'. Shallow bra cups do work for conical breasts, but they tend to 'squash' the nipples and can sometimes be uncomfortable for that reason.

  Oh, I forgot: if your breast root measures 14cm wide x 14cm tall, then you have perfectly round breast roots. Not short, not tall, just round :)

• I've wondered if my breasts could be conical, though there was a recent discussion on /r/ABraThatFits that left me slightly confused about the difference between conical and tubular/tuberous breasts (which I definitely don't have). One or two people said that the leaning bust measurement can overestimate cup size for conical breasts, and that makes sense for me; I always feel like I'm including a lot of empty space when I take that measurement, and calculating from my leaning bust gives me about two cup sizes larger than I need.

  Now that I think about it, my root is pretty much round. :) I don't know what kind of value would be considered tall or short here, or if it's all relative to the person's frame.

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• Do you have any bras that work well on you? The best way is to find out what bras work well on you.

• I've found that it is not easy and most women can't tell, so if you think you got it right it doesn't matter much because when you communicate others will still be having trouble.
  I plan to address this with the Breast shapes project:
  http://www.bratabase.com/blog/2012/nov/21/determining-your-breast-shape-202/

  We have a decent number of submissions mostly between 30-32 in D-F cups only, so I will launch with that initially just as a proof of concept. Sizes outside that range have too few pictures to be useful :-/

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• I have about half a cup size asymmetry -- although for some reason it seems to be getting less lately -- and I mostly made do with removable padding, like the stuff that comes with Ewa's PL and CH styles (those pads can also be ordered separately, by the way) and more recently with my Braologie Casual. I have tried silicone cutlets and gel inserts as well, but I found them horribly uncomfortable as they made me sweat and the cheaper ones often have sharp-ish edges that cut into the skin ...

• Same here: I recently started doing the same trick another posted just mentioned here. I fit for the larger boob, then shift the band ever so slightly toward the smaller one and it all fits. I don't seem to look asymmetrical when wearing a bra (or maybe I do and I don't let it bother me due to ignorance being bliss, etc) but it's very obvious when I am NOT wearing a bra.

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• I'm confused as well :( I think they're wide with wide roots, but according to measurements, they're narrow. Though I still think I have wide roots. At this point I really don't know.

• Everything is relative. I have narrow/med roots, but since I am short and somewhat compact (well, fluffier than I used to be but you know...) they appear very wide. But wide-set straps, for instance, don't fall off my shoulders because they never get close to being ON my shoulders!

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• you can sign up on http://www.bloglovin.com/, copy & then paste the url of the blog you want to follow into the search box on bloglovin, or just type in the name of the blog, & then hit the 'follow' button, once the results for what you want are brought up

• Seconding bloglovin, it's a pretty great reader, and a lot of blogs have a follow button for it. You can set it to email you a daily summary of new posts, it all makes catching up with new posts a lot easier.

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Dealing With Other People's Attitudes and Opinions-A Rant

I'm going to try to make this not too long. O.o I need to get something off my chest. (hahah)
Hopefully I won't make some mistakes as I shall be ranting a lot.
I supposed I should start with a bit of my bra history and some personal history.
Due to being chubby and a bit of an early bloomer,I started getting boobs ... sooner than a lot of girls.

My mom hated bras,hated underwire bras,and so I got the impression from her that bras were awful and me trying to find a good bra only confirmed that most of the time.I refused to wear one for many years.
She is wearing a wireless cotton bra in a 36C or 38C when I'm pretty sure she needs a 32F or 32G.I can remember her wearing it with the band so loose it almost goes off her body over her shoulders.Most of the bras I've tried were from Wintersilks (good if you aren't so busty or for a sleep bra,the fabric is great!),and then an organic wireless cotton one from Decent Exposures that is somewhat like a sports bra.
I got a few in JCPenny's when I was around 15-16,she had me try on her size,even though our measurements are a lot different.Due to it being a stretchy cotton bra,it did somewhat work for a while,but after my boobs growing again,it didn't.I was wearing a 38D,and I'm pretty sure my waist measurement was 35 or 36 and normally my waist and underbust are similar,and my bust was 45-46.
For some reason,she keeps insisting she's a 38" band,and that I am bigger than her,so therefore I should wear a bigger band.When she wanted me to wear a 38 or 40 years ago,I probably needed a 34" band.
I would always get so upset that I would try on 10 bras at Walmart and none were right,I thought it was my boobs that were wrong.I even wanted to get surgery on them,actually when I was younger I wanted that too.When I was 14 I wanted to be completely flat chested partly do I didn't have to deal with bras.Then later on I wanted a breast lift.

Finally when I was 17,I think it was,I tried on some underwire bras,and found one style that worked,or so I thought.It was a cotton stretch wired bra from Walmart,I tried it in both 36C and 38D...I did notice the 36D fit me best,but rarely found one.And I would normally buy one and only have that one for months till I noticed the band stretched out and the fabric was piling and itchy.
I kept buying those and making due till after I was 18.

90% of the time I did not wear a bra...since I've had boobs.I would only wear it in public,or I would figure out clothes that I could go braless without,ones that often compressed my boobs a bit,or others I did not feel secure in,so I felt self conscious.I wouldn't run or dance a lot of times when I wanted to,or play sports,cause of them bouncing around.At first it was just cause of embarrassment,but now it's cause it's flat out uncomfortable.Sometimes I wouldn't even go places cause I couldn't figure out what to wear without needing a bra and the bra hurt too much.

So it not only affected my body image,but my health.I really wish I had known about proper bra fitting years ago,my life could have been much different cause of it.Some people may find that crazy,that a bra would affect my life so much,but it does.

I was on..I think it was Curve Appeal,and saw a photo from "FullerFigureFullerBust",and started reading her blog,as well as other bra blogs...oh man.I learned sooo much.I had no idea there were even bras in a G cup,and I knew nothing of swooping and scooping,or anything,really.
Since I didn't have much money,I wasn't able to buy a new one for a while.I finally did,and it was the wrong size,but I ordered a new one,and kept ordering till I had a few that worked for me,even though they were still a cup size or two too small.But then I gained some weight and went up several cup sizes.As bras from the UK often take 2 weeks to get to me,I would be a different size by the time they got here!I tried one of my 34G bras on again a few weeks after trying it on and realizing it was at least 2 cup sizes too small,and this time it was just stretched out way across me...even smaller than before,and my measurements hadn't changed much. O.o

I'm down to pretty much one bra that fits pretty good,though not quite right,a Rosie for Autograph silk bra in a size 38G,the cups are rather stretchy and so I think that's why it still works fairly well.
All in all I think I've tried 5-6 styles,mostly Marks and Spencers.3 different sizes of the Rosie bra,one that I am trying to sell,one 36E silk bra that I'm also trying to sell,2 of a modal memory foam bra that was super comfy when it fit,and 2 more modal ones,one that was too small when I got it and haven't worn,and a Mimi Holliday bra that would have been perfect 2 months ago,but is a bit too small now.

My friend made a comment that there seems to be something wrong with every bra I get and she just doesn't see how that could be possible,even though I keep either gaining weight or growing or both!She thinks I'm being too picky,and it makes me feel bad cause normally when something doesn't work for me,I tend to blame myself for it.This last year has actually been some of the first times I've started to think,maybe it's not all my fault,or my body's fault,about a lot of things,and bras have had a lot to do with that.

And my mom seems to be mad that I am spending money on bras,she seems to think I'm wasting my money.I found an Andorra bra on ebay that someone had suggested to me,and being a fan of nylon lace and aqua blue,made an offer for it,and got it half price. It's in a 36HH,and when my mom found that out she freaked.She said a lot of thing,like,I think you are going the wrong direction to try to find a bra,and fine,if you want to look like you have pistons coming off your chest.Which is funny as my boobs don't seem to have much projection.But still,comments like that from my mom tend to hurt and frustrate me.She's also very religious and the church I used to go to preached modesty like crazy..you basically got shunned if you wore something low-cut.Even when I wear something that barely shows any cleavage and would be considered modest by most people's standards,and both her and other women in the church would adjust the top.And of course when I do wear something low cut she makes lots of comments and tries to pull up my top.
Then she wanted me to get a 38D cotton wireless bra like I had years ago!When it started to not work years ago.And she didn't understand why I wouldn't want to get one.
The combination of all of that plus a few other things made me have a bit of a breakdown.
It's kind of stupid that I should have to fight so much to just get a good fitting bra,and it is a really important thing.
I've gone most of my life just putting up with it and making do and I don't want to have to settle anymore.
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• Have you ever measured yourself with something like this: http://i.imgur.com/k6P94Bt.png ? It should give you more of an idea of your exact size of you haven't.

• I've tried quite a few things,and have measured with something similar.The 38G I'm wearing,I find if I move one cup over a little over an inch,it fits better.That's one way I found out my old bras weren't working,and discovered for every half inch I have to scoot it over,I usually need a cup size up.But due to cup sizes being different with each brand and style,as well as bands being different,ordering online is a lot of trail and error.Sometimes a 38 band is great,sometimes a 36 is good,sometimes the band is so stretchy I need a 34.But then I'll need a bigger cup size and will be sized out of the bra that would have worked shape and comfort wise and need to start all over again.
  I'm working on getting photos up so I can get some fitting help.If I lived near a place where they had good bra fitters I would go get fitted,but I don't.
  And sometimes it's just the style of the bra doesn't work for me.I have difficult boobs.

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Okay... So I'm really curious

Does anyone share this shape with me? (NSFW) Words can only say so much, pictures speak much louder. I feel like such a weirdo when it comes to sports bras, because nothing covers my boob-bulge. (Yes, I just called a part of my boobs boob-bulge, I thought it was funny, like how a boner can't be fully tamed inside a ... pair of boxers, my boobs can't be tamed inside a bra because they bust out waaaaaaaay above the cup fabric and in the middle)

If there is somebody here that shares this shape with me, I have a piece of advice for you regarding sports bras. Just flat out give up about sports bras available on the market (well, it might be worth a shot if you have wider roots than me, I have really narrow ones). Your best bet is to wear a *really* well-fitting regular bra and find a compression sports bra that fits snugly and with high enough coverage. You might have to sew it yourself.
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My breast shape - NSFW

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• That's me! Not so much the shallowish or the slightly wide-set, but the extremely tall upper fullness. I've never bothered with a sports bra before, because I haven't bothered much with sports (shameful I know), plus there really hasn't been suitable options in my size. The sports bra horizon keeps expanding behind my boob horizon.

  I wonder if this is similar to what Aaa has when she lies down?

• I know what you mean by shallowish and slightly wide-set. It really comes off as that in pictures but in reality I need "normal" depth cups or even deep ones and wide gores would push my boobs too far to the side, they wouldn't settle because they're so firm. I think I know why I come across as shallow in the boob department and that is because of my FOTT shape combined with the size of my breasts. Since they're not uber-big, they simply cannot project much and the extra "cube" stacked on top of my boobs makes the depth seem relatively small. The slightly wide-set look though... I'm not too sure why that is because it doesn't translate to what I need in bras. Average-wide and narrow gores. Maybe it's my small stature, anything that looks "wide" on me is maybe average or small on somebody else.

  I would be so happy if someone else could post pics like mine, I fully understand though if nobody does because after all, it's really revealing.

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• Interesting. I don't touch boobs, so this explains things, like how I only get the quad boobs if the bra is many sizes too small. Otherwise it just feels confusingly tight and hard to breath.

  Just the other day I did my monthly check up and made an observation about firmness: After wearing better bras I have more firm tissue near the surface. It was also more in the nipple area of my larger breast than the other one, which made me think that padding the smaller breast might be useful to make them more balanced even somewhat long term.

• I totally agree about only having experience with my own breasts. I sometimes have found myself expecting other people's breasts to behave a certain way in a bra based on my own experiences, but I've come to realise that people have them react quite differently.

  Something that I have noticed though is that if I grope my breasts, they feel a lot softer than if I'm pushing them towards my chest wall. I've got a layer of fat on the outside and one big giant ball of glandular tissue underneath. A soft touch will just give you the feeling of the fat, but if you really dig your hands in, or press my breasts in a direction where they have a little resistance, you can feel the tissue underneath.

  Despite my reasonably firm breast tissue, my root is plain not big enough to support my breasts, so I still get a bit of tennis ball in a sock without a bra. I think that you're right about the root playing a big role in breast shape without a bra. Someone who has a relatively large root will be more likely to have breasts which support themselves fairly well even if their tissue isn't as firm. Someone who has a small root will probably have breasts which hang down without a bra, regardless of how firm they are.

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What do you call this breast shape?

Yup I wonder. Name this breast shape please.

And here you also have Uma Thurman braless: http://us.cdn283.fansshare.com/photos/umathurman/uma-thurman-grey-dress-braless-cleavage-women-discovery-awards-gala-ut-hot-2064303131.jpg

Can someone please tell me what is this kind of flat down pointing shape called?

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• Pendulous.

• She looks like she's projected to me. Especially when you compare in bra photos to out of bra photos. At least, it reminds me of the shape I get out of a bra (only her breasts are definitely smaller :P)

  She seems to have a short, widish root and her breasts are close-set but not extremely so. I'm no expert though, I have enough trouble identifying features of my own breasts.

  It's really hard to tell much about breast consistency and shape in a bra from out of a bra. I look flat & terrible (my personal opinion) out of a bra, but I have a lot of fullness in a bra. My root just plain isn't big enough to hold up my breasts. To me, it looks like Uma Thurman's breasts are more deflated/empty than Salma Hayek's, but it's kind of hard to tell.

  Deflated & projected breasts act quite similar out of bras, but very differently in bras.

  ... I feel like I'm rambling here.

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Oh boy,am I frustrated with my body and clothes at this point.
I decided to go into Victoria's Secret while with my friend at the mall,originally not to try on bras,but to try some other clothes...Well..I decided to try some of their new 38DDD's just for the heck of it,since last time I was in there and knew nothing about bra ... fitting or swooping and scooping and tried mostly 36D's and the like and it was terrible.lol.I've also gained some weight since too.Of course,I know 38DDD is not my size,but wanted to try them anyways,as I said,just for fun,along with the other clothes.
So I ended up being surprised by 2 bras I tried,they were demi bras from the new Body by Victoria collection,and aside from not being the right size,extremely comfortable,they are made of this super soft fabric.I believe it is this one.
http://www.victoriassecret.com/bras/shop-by-size/perfect-coverage-bra-body-by-victoria?ProductID=128212&CatalogueType=OLS
But the band is wayyyyy too big and stretchy.I had it on the tightest hook with room to spare.Plus of course the cup was too small.I would say 2-3 sizes.But as it seemed to be a good cup shape for me,that wasn't so bad.It was so comfortable I was tempted to buy it anyways,but knew after five minutes of wearing it,it would not stay put and end up not so comfortable cause of that.It looks like a 34H or 34J,or even 34JJ in that style would be perfect for me,but of course VS doesn't make anything over a triple D or E.I was thinking of getting a 40DDD sometime and trying to alter the band down to a 34 so then it would be more like a 34H since 40DDD is the sister size of 34H.
(That is,after I try an Ewa Michalak bra from a member here first,gotta budget,lol).
It's special enough for me to go to the trouble of that.Anyone have any tips for altering a band?At least I do know how to sew.
Also,was wondering if anyone knows of a bra that is similar in fabric and comfort in other sizes.
I may put up some photos of me in the one I tried cause I've been wanting some fitting help,too.Even though I have read tons on bra fitting,sometimes it can just be hard to figure out your own body and you need help from a different perspective.
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• Honestly, if you haven't bought the thing already, VS bras are crappy quality and overpriced, you can find something easily on figleaves or ebay for the same price but the quality is a million times better, and you won't have to do as severe and alteration because you can get at least close to the correct size, if not the correct one.

  If you have, here: http://www.venusianglow.com/2010/07/tutorial-tightening-bra-band-without.html

  Here if the unstretched length is too big for you: http://hourglassy.com/2011/08/leahs-second-column-shrinking-a-bra-band/

  EDIT: Also, 40DDD isn't even close to 34H in volume. It's a 34G (UK). You would be anywhere from 2 to 5 cup sizes too small if you were alter that. Please don't do this to yourself. VS bras aren't even designed to support well in larger sizes. Please do yourself a favor and find something cheap on ebay, asos, or even the Tutti Rouge marketplace on asos (one of their bras is only 39 dollars, which is pretty cheap for a brand new bra that goes up to 34HH), really, anything other than that please. Also Amazon, seriously. Try stuff on at Nordstrom. Anything other than VS. They don't even make volumes in your correct size.

• Nope,haven't bought it,can't afford to for a while and I always think a lot before buying something anyways.
  I have been looking on figleaves,but haven't found a lot that seems like it would work.I guess one of my main frustrations is that I can rarely find anywhere near my size in the US,and the ones I do find,none of them work.
  I've ordered some off ebay UK,and found one that I just loved,but am now too big for,I think.Am going to try to see if they have any H cups in my size sometime,it's a discontinued style.I've tried 5-6 different styles so far,all but one from Marks and Spencer.And sometimes when I order a bra,it gets here 3 weeks later and I'm almost a cup size bigger and so then it doesn't work and I can't return.Trying to sell the ones I can't use on ebay,may put them up here instead.I guess I should be more patient as normally you need to try like 20 different styles of bras to find ones that really work,but it's frustrating and one of my friends and my mom think I'm being too picky.
  I'm still figuring out my size.I think it'd be a good idea to get photos up on here for help.
  My measurements vary at times,but normally I'm around a 38-39 ribcage and 51-52" bust.I often need a 36" band cause of how stretchy bands are..with super stretchy,like modal,nylon fabrics,sometimes powermesh,I need a 34!Sometimes a 38 is good.
  But...I'm not really busty?I seem to gain a lot of side armpit fat,that sounds just lovely.lol.
  I still prefer to have that tissue,fat,whatever it is,inside the cups,though,it's more comfortable and looks better.
  I'm 19 and was never properly fitted and bras were always awful and uncomfortable and so I rarely wore one,but now I'm to the point where going without is often uncomfortable.
  I usually prefer cotton or nylon bras.
  I have been considering a Tutti Rouge bra for a while,but am still confused as to which size to get,even after reading reviews. -_-
  I should probably sleep on it and get photos up.
  And thanks for the bra band links!Those will especially be helpful if I lose weight and go down in band but the cup still fits.

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• The point of scooping and swooping isn't to prevent "migration", it's to where the bra correctly so that it encompasses any and all breast tissue.

• The thing with swooping and scooping is... It's meant to really gather and collect all of your breast tissue making sure nothing gets stuck underneath the underwires or behind them, it's just a bonus if MBT (migrated breast tissue) migrates back. Not all women have MBT to begin with, but it can be migrated back by swooping and scooping IF you have it, since you're really gathering everything.

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• That's exactly why my go-to line whenever anyone asks is "Oh, sweetie, I'm so much more than a bra size..."

• You could say (if the situation is appropriate for any comments), sizing has become so much more sophisticated and accurate in the last few years. Thank goodness we can now get bras that FIT.

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It's officially happened

I broke the tape doing my break the tape underbust measurement *face palm*

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• @Jillsas,Wow! Were you on the Sizem site ? http://www.sizemapp.com/en/ where they tell you to" exhale and pull the tape as tight as possible as if you wanted to to break it ."for your underbust measurement?

• That's how my best friend taught me how to measure. People don't take the break the tape seriously enough in my opinion. I guess this is payback for my taking that so seriously. I prefer to say just loose enough that you don't break your ribs.

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• I wouldn't worry about it. There is little to no non-anecdotal evidence of permanent tissue migration. Plus, two months is a short amount of time, considering how long most women go wearing poorly-fitting bras.

• I'm gonna be honest here, breast tissue migration is not scientific. I have seen no peer-reviewed journal articles on any sort of adipose migration (organs and bones, never the actual fat tissue), I think breast tissue migration comes down to belief. Yes my measurements have changed since I started wearing bras that fit better, but my hypothesis is that when you wear an incorrectly sized bra, the band and wires sit on glands that allow for breast growth. My best friend has done surveys on women who wear correctly sized bras, and there was significant change in measurements after wearing a correctly sized bra. The underbust got smaller and the bust measurement became larger.

  If migration is a thing, your breast tissue isn't disappearing, it's being pushed into your armpits, your underbust, and other areas surrounding the supporting regions of the bra. Basically, it's messing with the amount of projection you have, not the actually amount of boob you have.

  The whole point of the migration hypothesis is that fat can be moved semi-permanently. Wearing a correctly sized bra should in theory then give you more projection on a more permanent level. Wearing a correctly sized bra makes your breasts appear larger anyway when you're wearing one.

  I don't know what you mean by a tight fit. A tight band will give you more support and if that's what you're comfortable in, that's great. If something's small in the cup though, it will smoosh your breasts backwards making them quadboob while appearing smaller. Additionally, wearing a band that's too tight in a case of reverse letterphobia will make your breasts also appear flatter and the cup will have a more shallow fit.

  I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. If your bras are comfortable for now, you might experience stunted breast growth (fun fact, breast growth doesn't really stop until your late 20s, so if you're still young, your breasts will continue to grow. They will almost certainly grow if you become pregnant after 30 (or before)) or migration (if that is in fact a thing), but nothing particularly harmful will happen. In the meanwhile, flaunt what you have!

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