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Dec 14, 2017

Hi, I am a part time cross-dresser, but, the reason I am writing is that I actually do have breasts as a result of meds and gynecomastia. In the past 6 months, they have become larger, and my doctor said it is a side effect of the medicine.

I used to very occasionally wear a bra because ... I liked to, but, now, they actually are sore when I am doing any activities, and I am not wearing one. My wife said I should get a proper fitting, and it may be better to see if there is any minimizer bras so I would not be as noticeable when in male mode.

I called a local lingerie store, and they had no problem when I explained the situation. The owner said to come in, but, make sure I am wearing a bra so she can see the fit. When she started to take my fittings, she smiled, and said you really do need a bra. That did make me blush a bit.

Well, my lesson really started as she began to tell me how Bras come in hundreds of different sizes and styles for a reason. Everyone has a different body and a different idea of how they want to look and feel. You can spend hours of your time and much of your money finding out which is the right bra for you; or you can get a proper fitting.

She sized me at a 42 b/c, and after trying on more than 20 different types of bras, I was exhausted. I ended up with purchasing not only 6 bras, but, matching panties as well along with some hosiery. When I got home and showed my wife, she smiled, and said, it's not cheap being a girl.

It has been about 3 months now, and other than sleeping, I wear a bra daily. I do hope I am welcome here.

Sincerely,
Bobbie

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- Welcome! Adding your bras and bra measurements will help many people who visit Bratabase. Thank you! :-)
- We have had active men in the past, not in a while - welcome
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Dec 12, 2017

I've been wearing generic sports bras for almost a year guys. A YEAR! I got so tired of returning bras I just quit. But I really need the support, not to mention how much better they look with a real bra! I'll be posting a fit request on my @Parfait Charlotte that is too small, or too shallow I suppose. ... I was wearing an old VS padded push up until my puppy chewed it up when he was 3 months old. He's 9 months old now, so it's been awhile.

I got sick last week and lost 9 pounds so I don't need an extender so that's a bonus. Ha. I really like the padding in push up bras though.. when I wear a lined bra and they look smaller and I hate that. It's not exactly what I was going for 10 years ago when I had my augmentation. Most bras smash them to the point that they feel like they're collapsing my lungs so I know I need deeper cups.

I have high profile implants, and my left is about 50/50 breast tissue & implant. The right is pretty much silicone and nipple. So you can see why I had the augmentation.

If anyone has a favorite push up, please let me know! I need a nice bra that shows the girls to their best advantage and, more importantly, doesn't cause pain!
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- I know it's not exactly what you're asking for (sorry!) but I wear padded half cup bras almost exclusively and they make my average chest look pretty big I think! Just the padding and the fact that they hold my breasts up and forward at a flattering angle makes a big difference. There's also the option to add "cookie" pads in them which can give a slight pushup effect without the discomfort that can come with pushup bras. My favorites are Comexim 3 part half cups, but other brands make great ones as well.
- The problem with most pushups out there is that they have so much padding at the bottom that they become very shallow overall, so if you're even a little bit projected they tend to not to stay in place and cause pain.
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Experience?

Has anyone had experience with a balcony AND a side support/sling bra? I see a lot of balcony bras and a lot of side support/sling bras. All the sling bras I've seen seem to be full cup bras. There's only been on of these @Calvin Klien balcony sling bras put on here and they didn't post much information at all! I really love this bra. I can only find it in 32+ bands but I'd be more than willing to shorten band if I had more information!

Ck Black Balconette Bra (QF1197) - Calvin Klein

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- I’ve tried on Calvin Klein and the cups always seem smaller than other brands, in the same size, so there’s that. Some of their bands have a loose/easy to stretch elastic (I hope that makes sense) that I don’t like, others do not.
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Help me find a bra for mom

Hi! I'm trying to find my mom a supportive bra in a correct size, but since she's in a different size range than me, I need your help!
Her measurements are:
Tight underbust 87cm
BTT underbust 83.5cm
Standing bust 97cm
Leaning 110cm
Lying 99.5cm
According to the A bra that fits calculator, that puts her in a 36DD.
Regarding shape, I would say close set, average width ... roots, average top/bottom fullness. She prefers a minimised shape, and the most important criterion is comfort.
She hasn't worn or hasn't had good experiences with wired or padded bras (says they're uncomfortable), but I think that has more to do with availability and little information about sizing than with anything else - so either a bra with or without underwire would work. Regarding style (although this is less important), I think something with more coverage and in a "basic" colour is better.
I was thinking about @Fantasie (maybe @Rebecca), but since her size is still in the more easily available matrix sizes, I think there are lots of options out there that I don't know about, since from the start of my my bra journey I've been in search for G+ cups. (Bratabase shows 466 pages of bras for 36DD!). Any suggestions?
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- I'm actually a bit surprised that ABTF calculator put her at a 36DD. I'm going to go ahead and translate the centimeters to inches. I'm more comfortable using inches and it seems a lot of people on here do as well. Tight ub: 34", BTT ub: 33", standing: 38", leaning: 43", laying: 39". I rounded down as the measurement was always below the half inch point. I would take the average of her bust measurement as there is a 5" increase from standing/leaning. So, a 40" breast. I think she would be best trying a 34 band first, IMO the larger bands tend to be stretchier and more forgiving. She can always go up! 40-34=6=E. I'd suggest a 34E/F. From your description of her shape I have a sneaking suspicion that she is a bit shallow (especially given the huge difference between standing & leaning). I think @Fantasie is a great option (for all women really, the fabrics are just lovely!) It also seems to have some decent projection while still allowing for more error and a variety of shakes and sizes. Might I recommend @Wacoal if she can tolerate a not so narrow cup separation. @Freya seems to be a good all around brand with a stretchy, comfy band and an array of styles. I'd also recommend a look into the polish brands that aren't 100% focused of narrow cups and a lot of projection like @Gorsenia , @Gaia , @Kostar , @Kinga, @KrisLine, and most of all @Avocado. Avocado goes by 4 centimeter increments in their cup sizes and would need further figuring out of her size in centimeters.
  Although figuring out which exactly bras would fit her best would work out best if you got her horizontal perimeter!
- One of the better bra size calculators I have used ( http://www.sophisticatedpair.com/bra-size-calculator/ ) gives a different size.
  This one puts her at a 34G/36FF UK using the 87cm &110cm you provided.... Fantasie is a good one for quality and comfort in that range (It was my go to brand for 10+ years when I was a 32G/30GG), though the gore may be too wide if she is that close set. I am a big fan of Comexim currently, softer wires & close set gore, so that would be another I would suggest. If Zathiya has any in stock, you'd be able to get it before the holiday (if in the US) & they have easy returns if it didn't fit.
  @LeProfessor It's generally wiser to suggest brands you have personally tried instead of just giving her a list from here. While yes, some of the brands you listed can have wider wires, I wouldn't recommend them for her mom, as the wires are stiffer/painful (Kinga, KrisLine, Freya) and @JulieCS stated her mom has had issues with wires. Gaia would be a good one to try but we would need more info in her mom's preferences since they have a lot of very different styles before suggesting a specific one. Gorsenia is also a possibility but like Gaia, isn't one I'd suggest based on what information we were given.
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Cleo Hettie still around?

Is the Cleo Hettie (http://www.bratabase.com/browse/cleo/hettie-balconnet-bra-9011/) discontinued, or is it in stores still?
And how is its fit? I've had people recommend it to me. I'm projected, pendulous and with narrow roots. Is the lace on the top as stretchy as the Panache Jasmine? Is the band a traditional Panache band (true to size, tight)?
The Panache Jasmine gives me a slightly pointy shape, but not enough for me to not enjoy the fit. I feel like my breasts are extra secure in the bra with the stretchy lace.

http://www.bratabase.com/browse/cleo/hettie-balconnet-bra...

http://www.bratabase.com/browse/cleo/hettie-balconnet-bra-9011/)

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- Hettie is in black and purple for the fall and will be in hot pink for the spring. I think the lace stretch depends on the cup size. In smaller sizes it is unlined and in larger cup sizes it is lined and pretty firm. I'm not sure where the cut off point for the lined lace is, however.
- I have it in 28F and it does have the typical Panache/Cleo band, meaning it's slightly on the tighter side. It works extremely well for projection and narrow roots, and I imagine it would work well for your pendulousness. I believe the stretch lace is double lined starting at a GG cup. In fact, I've been thinking about selling mine; would you be interested in trying it out?
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Does anyone else need to switch it up once in a while?

I love my Ewa bras. I wear 60FF in all but two of them, which means that the wires are all the same size and same strength. Sometimes, when I wear my Ewa bras in 60FF for many days in a row, my ribs and my skin start to get bothered by having the same amount of pressure in the ... same spots all the time. Is this just me, because I'm on the smaller side? Or does everyone deal with this issue? Sometimes it gets so bad that I need to forego wearing wires at all and need to wear a bralette for a day or two, but most of the time I just need to switch to wearing a different brand or different size/style (ie. wearing one of my two 60G Ewas, or wearing something like my Cleo Marcie or Cleo Lilies).
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- I think bras are like shoes, not good to wear the same pair every day.
- I alternate Comexim & Ewa so I don't wear the same type of wire or style two days in a row. So you are not alone for sure. :-)
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All the different decos...

I'm just curious what the difference is between all the different Decos? Ex: there's the standard one, there's honey, vibe, delight. Is it just a design and colour difference or do they each actually fit differently. When I do a 'compare', they all seem to look very similar.

Also, not sure if anyone can comment on this, but does the ... Deco still fit okay for people with short roots, or do you have to have taller roots for the cup to fit without gaping. I'd usually be a 30F, but I'm considering sizing down to a 28F based on measurement data on here.
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- As far as I know, the only difference is that the Decos with the extra binding on the top of the cup are ever so slightly more closed on top. The normal Decos are very open on top.
  
  Unfortunately I don't know which size you should try regarding your short roots.
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I can’t decide!

Of bras you wear regularly what brands have held up the longest? Discovering this wonderful place has led me to knowledge of so many options I didn’t know about! These are my top prospects; freya, panache, Natori, aerie, wacoal (and b.temptd), Comexim (if I can find somewhere with correct size without paying crazy shipping) , Calvin Klein (Again finding correct ... size, know I need to go up a cup havent found 30DD new) I know whatever bras I get might not fit, but when I find one that I love I plan on buying like 10, I want them to hold up.

Also how the heck am I supposed to figure out my shape/roots.....and all of that? I know I have proportionately huge (and in general large) nipples (that never relax and make me uncomfortable in unlined bras) and that I’m full on the bottom of my breast and shallow on the top.
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- My Cleo Lily seems undestructable. In general I feel like Cleo bras are very hardy.
- Kindred Bravely Organic Cotton bra has been a work horse; designed for nursing moms. Wacoal How Perfect wireless has worn really well, too (size up in the band).
  
  I have nipples like yours. Even some padded bras do not provide enough protection.
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I failed my bra shopping

it's been so long that I failed since last time I did. Anyway, I'll exchange, does anyone tried Kris line? are they shallow and wide wire type? can you tell me your Kris line experience?

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- You can find all Kris Line user reviews here: http://www.bratabase.com/browse/kris-line/reviews/
  
  To see if they have wider wires you can check this http://www.bratabase.com/browse/kris-line/size-range/65J/measurements/?filter_by=cup_width&order_by=cup_width&system=EU&style=&name=&hide_discontinued=False and compare with the bras that you like :)
- You can look at the ones I've tried here:
  http://www.bratabase.com/@mamapagan/bras/?brand_id=57
  
  They are near your range, so the info & pictures may be helpful. :)
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Strapless bra cutting into the boob yet no quadraboob

Hi there gang!

I am writing a blog post about a bra that has this stupid issue - cuts into my breast tissue, because it is too closed on top, but it is a right size though. Can somebody show me a good example of that described in good English so that I can read it and try to convey the message as clearly as possible in Polish? I would like to suggest what kind of boobs will fit nd which will not.

I will be so, so thankful!

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- It sounds like maybe it's the wrong shape, and would work best for someone with shorter roots?
  Or maybe you're more FOT than the bra requires?
- It sounds like every other strapless bra on the planet lol. Wide shallow and closed on top! Good for shallow boobs that are FOB or short rooted which often do not exist.
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Comexim and sizing down

So here I am again and cannot decide which size to order. I have lost 10lbs (after low-carb, low-fat, low-fun 5months) and my current 80J Comexim Natalie and Coco don't support me anymore, both in a band and in cups. I will probably buy another Comexim 3HC, just cannot decide about the size: 80HH should have smaller cup and maybe also smaller band, right? 75J will have a smaller band but same cups as my 80J right now.

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- 80HH = smaller cup, same size band as your 80J. The band may feel smaller at first since it would be new & not stretched out/broken in yet but ultimately it would be the same.
  75J=smaller cup and smaller band compared to your 80J.
  :) Congrats on the weight loss!
- No, 75J will be smaller in the cups. You would need a 75K to keep the same cup size.
  
  Meanwhile an 80HH will be smaller in the cups but NOT smaller in the band. There's always a bit of variation and also we don't all measure band stretch the same way... so if you're eyeballing a particular bra's numbers on here it might SEEM like an 80HH has a smaller band... but it shouldn't.
  
  If you want smaller cups and a smaller band, 75J will be both.
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Oct 31, 2017

Hello BtB! And thank you Jj for creating this amazing website that I am slowly (QUICKLY!) becoming obsessed with. Here I am posting my first post!

I keep coming to this same question over and over again when it comes to every where besides US/UK. Within the US/UK each inch equals a cup size; A=1, 2=B, C=3, etc. Yet, ... in every other country they use 2 centimeters to determine each cup size, which is about a half centimeter smaller than an inch. This appears to not be a problem for the first three or four cup sizes, but let's use my measurements for the example. Under bust: 26 inches/ 66 centimeters. Bust: 32 inches/81.5 centimeters. 32-26=6=E* but using centimeters, 66-81=15=F* and I totally dropped an entire centimeter and a half so the real answer would be F/FF*. Is this correct? Would I need to go up an entire cup size in EU/FR?

*I also used UK double letters to determine cup sizes; A,B,C,D,DD,E,F,FF,G.
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- I would love to know the answer to this too!
- there are several charts on line to convert from UK to European bra sizes
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Long straps – Freya

Hello, I need really long straps, I'm quite tall and I have long torso. When straps are too short, my shoulders hurt and I've got a headache. I'd like to politely ask, if someone know, which Freya model has long straps? Freya's halfcups are great for my boobs. I've got 34DD - Freya » Pansy Padded Longline Bra ... (1683) 34DD - Freya » Flourish Padded Longline Bra (1543) 34DD - Freya Active » Moulded Crop Top Sports Bra (4004) and 32E - Freya Active » Moulded Crop Top Sports Bra (4004) and the straps are really good length. 34DD - Freya » Totally Tartan Padded Longline Bra (1424) is on shorter side, but still wearable. Recenty I bought Freya Popart Padded Half Cup Bra (5003) in 34E (I'll measure it later) and the straps are so short. What happend? I need bigger cup, but I'm not able to buy pansy or flourish in 34E, they are sold out. Don't you have some tips?
Thank you kindly!
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- Freya Fearne Plunge Balcony Bra (4091) The Freya Fearne has very long straps (I only have the balcony version, but I think the half cup has the same straps). I had other Freyas before and never had a problem with too long straps, but with this bra, I`m thinking about shortening them.
- Thank you!
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Ewa Michalak S & Pl styles - will they work for me if I'm a bit FOT?

Hello all,

I know there have been lots of questions about EM recently, and I'm sorry to call on everyone's expertise again!

I don't really like the super round shape Cleo Marcie and other Cleo's give me, I prefer a more peaked profile - although I think the round, cakes on a plate look is lovely on other people, I guess it's ... a case of the grass is always greener... The obvious choice for me in EM is a CHP style because I'm slightly full on top, but I prefer the higher coverage of the S and the Pl (I always feel a bit precarious in low half cups....) I range from 30FF to 30G in padded styles and I'm center full but not touching. Do you think an S could work, or will it be too closed on top? Does anyone here with a similar shape have experience of that style? I'm pretty lowset, so I like a lot of uplift, and plunge styles don't usually give me that, but maybe the EM Pl is better than most? Thank you
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- I am all over full, & in a different cup range, but I like the S style & it works for me for the most part. I do like the CHP better as it is less apt to give the quad boob that I can get in the S style.
  I find the S style to give me more of a rounded shape though. Have you browsed the Ewa photos for your size range yet to see if you like the shape it provides?
  I am 2 cup sizes larger in the S style than I can wear in their CHP, with their SF style being in the middle of those for me. Their sizing can be tricky.
  Compared to Panache (in my range at least) I find Ewa bras to be tighter in the band & their cups smaller. I have my first Ewa plunge on the way, so I am clueless about the fit currently.
- Thank you MamaPagan , this is really helpful, especially the comparison to Panache. I've looked at S and CHP shapes, but I think the CHP is closest to the Cleo Mimi I already have, and I'd prefer something different. Quad boob can be a problem for me in the wrong shape/correct volume though, so I'll have a think. Hope the plunge works out for you, there are some gorgeous new designs :)
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Comexim Acapulco

I'm planning to get this bikini set for my upcoming holiday in LA <3 while I'm not looking for bra fit advice, I'm looking for some advice re panties. I know Comexim has manufacturing issues.. but I don't really have time for exchanges and I'd prefer to avoid ordering 2 pair of undies. Usually I take Medium in their panties (but occasionally those fit also like XS...) . So I will highly appreciate suggestions on swimwear by Comexim!
Thanks! xx

ACAPULCO BIKINI - Sklep COMEXIM

https://www.comexim.pl/en/figi/508-acapulco-bikini.html

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- I have Kameleon bottoms in medium. They measured 66cm unstretched to 114cm max stretch. Compared to their panties, Kameleon ran big for sure.
  
  To compare to their panties, I have Florence in M (65-96cm), Chevron in S (56-95cm), & Graffiti in S (62-90.)
- Thank you MamaPagan ! thats what im afraid.. same sizes but varies between 2 different sizes :/ I think I will have to order both sizes and try to resell them later on.. :(
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How to include cut information across brands?

So today I received a 65G - Le Vernis » Glamour and when I unwrapped I seriously thought I am going crazy... I have seen this very same cut and sew patter somwhere else. A little browse through my archive and it turns out the 65G - Konrad » Desire Me Balkonetka is an identical ... twin of the bra. Everything is identical, not just the cut, but the person who has designed Desire Me and Glamour and constructed both of them must have been the same human being. The bras are just copies of each other in terms of what is going on with the cup interior-wise; the little details make me sure of it. Those two brand smust have purchased same cup forms ( I have been told that this is the cheap way of sewing bras wholesale - they order cups, decorate them, add bands and there you go; a bra). Big brands like Panache or Frey don't do that, but for smaller companies it is quite common.

Is it possible to mark somewhere in the Bratabase, that despite those bras being from two very different brands they are also cut-twins?
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- First, we'd need to link Le Vernis and Konrad as linked brands, so the system knows that there are real reasons of why two bras would share design.
  
  Is this a case like Comexim making bras for Wellfitting and Anna Pardal For Comexim or Parfait By Affinitas making bras for Adore Me.
  
  After that's done, things would look something like this: http://www.bratabase.com/browse/wellfitting/related/
  
  And then, we'd be able to link them as being the same cut. But first, we'd have to know what is the relationship between both brands.
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Curvy Kate Size System

Olá!

My bra adventure this month was making a big Curvy Kate order so I could figure out my size, and also to better understand the size system by comparing the same bra in several different sizes!
The conclusions aren't really new, but since it helped me, I want to share it- it might help someone else.

The comparisons were made with the ... Curvy Kate Smoothie Deluxe Moulded Bra (CK5301), sizes 28DD, 28F, 30DD, 30E and 30F.
(Unfortunately I don't have the 28E, which is actually my size, since they didn't have it in stock)

______Comparing same band sizes: 28DD-28F, 30DD-30E-30F.
- Underwires have the same bottom curvature, but for a bigger cup, the wires are longer. Since the underwire shape is like an U, but with the edges opening to the outside, the longer they get, the further apart they get as well, which results in a wider cup.
- Total band lengths are the same, but since for the bigger one the cup is wider, the wing length is a little bit smaller.
- Since the underwires are longer for the bigger cup, the wing and the center gore are also higher.
- A bigger cup is both deeper and higher.

______Comparing sister sizes: 28F-30E
- The cups are identical, they completely overlap when put one on top of the other. They have the same wire length, cup width and cup depth.
This is actually a result which I was not expecting. I knew the volume of the cup would be the same for sister sizes, but I thought that the depth would change, since I also thought the width would change. I have read and heard references to this 'sizing fact', but apparently this is not the case for Curvy Kate.

So, based on your experience, have you got to the same conclusions? ...Different conclusions?

For all of you that are still struggling to find your size, in a specific brand or style, I really think this 'big order' thing is a very good idea. Instead of wasting money in shipment costs to buy&return the bra, one at the time, we can plan a big order, maybe even reaching the tier of free delivery, and make sure that at least one of the ones we've ordered will fit >

Nice 'braing' everyone!
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- In larger sizes grading occurs more gradually as well, which is why CK has some of the narrowest wires on the market at the top of their size range (40K).
  
  I also like to buy a lot of different sizes in the same bra all at once to get the best fit. It's also great for bratabase if we measure because then we can get a better idea of the range of sizes and how they measure.
- I would like to order a bunch of different bra sizes, but I do not do so because of return shipping costs. If it's Amazon, that is easy, but when I order from overseas I feel like I don't want to take the financial risk should they not fit.
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straps, ...ugh...

bra shoulder straps are either:
*don't get short enough (like on those kind of straps that are half fabric and half elastic)
or
*don't get long enough....

they also are never wide enough and i end up having to you those silicone shoulder "pads".
my bands are snug, so it's not like i have too loose a band and my straps have to over compensate or anything.
anyone else have this problem?
i do have broad shoulders... and all my bras have elastic shoulder straps because bra designers hate me, lol

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- YMMV, but I find that molded/padded cups which are too shallow at the base (looking at you, Mimi!) cause pressure on the straps as one's boobs push the cups down whilst looking for projection.
- acee i had to google what YMMV means, haha! ...and cup projection is not the problem with me, wires are in my IMF on my larger breast. :)
  it doesn't seem to matter if i wear wire or wire-free bras. so i don't think it's my boobs. i thinks it's manufactures not making the straps long or short enough. ugh... on one bra, the straps only got 7" long!!! i had to cut them and add more strap, it's ridiculous.
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just got some new sport bras!

would anyone be interested in my 32DD Panache non-wired sport bra? I only wore it 3 times before I realized it was too big for me. http://bra.pe/GExd/

Give away - 32DD - Panache Sport » Non Wired Sports Bra (...

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Permanent cup creases?

I've occasionally gotten strapless bras that seem to have permanent creases/dents in the moulded lining at the bottom of the cup. Any fixes? The bras probably wouldn't have worked for me anyway, but when I put it on it's hard to tell if the cup is collapsing because of my shape or because of the bra being damaged.

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Shared on Sep 15, 2017 Flag this

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- same problem with my strapless. following.
- @annabellynn it may very well be that the cup is actually too small for you, that the breast is pushing against the cup, and the dent is from the the cup folding over due to this. this is contrary to the popular belief that dents occur due to a cup too big, but, a cup too big would mean more gapping than denting.
  try going up a cup size, perhaps even a smaller back size, and up two cup sizes.
  others may know more about adjusting the bra if the cup size turns out not to be the issue. Hope this helps :))
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