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Oct 29, 2012 Curvy Kate you just lost me...

I just went to like Curvy Kate Aus on FB but before I could hit the button I noticed they liked this http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/curvygirlsworldwide ...ummm excuse me at 43kg and bones everywhere I guess I am a skinny girl.

I went to the main CK account only to find that they like even more of these sites that ... poke fun at slim women. ie "only dogs like bones". Do they not realise that some of their customers are in fact thin? I mean no offense but no one carrying a lot of weight is likely to fit into a size 6 au/28 uk band.

Go to hell Curvy Kate you will never get another cent from me.

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- If you fit into the Curvy Kate range you're curvy as well. Skinny and curvy at the same time. I might not be skinny, but I'm definitly slim, slim and curvy.
  
  But yes, I do agree with you that a company that actively is trying to promote body acceptance should not be liking something that goes against it on Facebook... :(
- It just annoys me so much that they say they are trying to promote acceptance ...but of what?
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Oct 28, 2012

Had a chance to go to Nordstroms and try on several 30 band bras (Freya, Fantasie, Simone Perle) in 30E and F....definately didn't work for me at all. I could fasten on the tightest hook and then fit my whole hand under the band. The wires on the Freya 30E (an unlined plunge) were way too narrow and while the ... wires on the 30F fit, the bra gave me pointy boobs and I had baggy gapping near the straps. There was a Panache 'Porcelain Viva' Balconette Bra in 30F that was okay in the band but for the life of me I can't wear any of the superbra cuts. They are way too shallow and cut in on the top. I end up looking like I'm wearing a minimizer with quadboob.
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- If the band is that big it will make the cups appear smaller and deeper, so you might well be able to wear 28FF Freyas. :)Did you try to pull the band tight with one of your hands and then use the other one to scoop into the cups? It might still not give the correct impression but atleast a better clue.
  
  I know how hard it is to figure out sizes when not being able to try things on in the right sizes... :(
- Yeah, pulling the 30f tight the wire is really good. The extra wire length was good and I'm not worried about not filling out the top since that style really doesn't work for me. I just wish the padded half cups came in that size.
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Oct 28, 2012

A couple of months ago I tried to buy new bras. It's been an adventure, all right! I had a "bra fitting expert" measure me and try to put me in bras that were size 40b. I rebelled, and tried bras in size 38c. They seemed all right at first, and then sternum pop and quadraboob and all sorts of ... boobly disasters. So I tried a different site that recommended I try bras in size 36F. Astounded, off I went to a UK bra site to order a pair!

They fit quite comfortably in the band, but the cups were too large. I took a wild guess and exchanged them for size 36DD, which seems quite nice so far, though one is quite uncomfortable on me and I wanted to review it where a lot of women could see. While talking on the internet I wondered if there was a thread to review bras and I was directed here.

Of course, this site asks me to take measurements. I took measurements and was astonished to find that my rib cage measurement had *shrunk!* A month ago I was measuring at 35 inches round the ribcage, and I've been wearing bras that actually didn't dig into my boobs for a couple of weeks. I think that I may have been measuring breast tissue that had been squashed by ill fitting bras and my breasts are changing because I'm not torturing them any more. But I just ordered three more bras in size 36DD! I think that the band fit is quite comfortable, however, and I'll wear them for a few months and see if the fit changes drastically enough that I need to re-buy all my bras.

I'm happy to find this site and I'll definitely add what data I can offer about bra fit. I spent so many years in a badly fitted bra. Never again!
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- Hi! Welcome to bratabase :)
  My rib cage measures 35 inches, and I wear 34 bands. You can try some bras in a 34 band if you aren't finding that the 36DDs fit you well. A sophisticated pair has the best online bra calculator (in my opinion) and you can check your measurements against their recommendation as well.
- Welcome! :) I also found that my ribcage measurement shrunk when I started to wear the proper sizes, and I don't put on or lose weight there otherwise. :S So, I think that you mightbe onto something.
  
  I think that your plan sounds good. You will most likely need a larger cup size within a couple of months or so so keep on scooping and check the fit each time you put the bra on. That probably works way better than bad bra fitters... :P
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Oct 28, 2012 I need new bras...

I really need new bras. Almost all my old bras are too small now I have tried to make some my old bras wearable again but it does not work. I only get neck pain from too loose bands or if I take in the band, the cups get too small…
So I’ve been wearing my ... two Andorras everyday since two weeks and they are showing aready signs of use like lace going off or hooks almost falling out. (bad quality or normal?) So its time to try some new bras and I have made a little list:

Aviable for good prices on ebay:
Panache Fern
Panache Emily (never heard of it must be an old style)
Freya Celia
Freya Jolie
Freya Lucy

For full price:
Panache Jasmine (got raving reviews on Bravissimo )
Cleo Natasha
Cleo Zia
Cleo Meg
Curvy Kate Daily Boost (good t-shirt bra?)
I need a good sports bra since my Shock Absorber in 32H is now too small. Freya Active?
I also want to try an Ewa Michalak bra, not decided which but I want to try a PL which I can use as a T-Shirt bra.
Any other Suggestions? Which ones on my list should I try, which ones avoid??

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- What sizes are you looking for? For the Zia/Natasha/Meg styles there are quite a bit of older ones up on eBay and other places. What bras in which sizes are too small now? In which country are you in?
- I'm looking for mostly for 30J. This is my Size in the Panache Andorra. Also this is the size the Butterfly Calculator suggests as starting size with my current measurements. There are not so many 30J Cleo bras on Ebay (except the newer ones) Alexa in 30J is on its way to me and Lucy I own in a 30J but the wires were always too wide for me although the cup size is now right (it was much too big when I purchased it months ago)
  Freya Deco 32GG (much too small cups, too big band)
  Panache Tango 32H (too big band, quadraboob, also the wires are very unconfortable because they are too high)
  Shock Absorber 32H Boobs escaping on a all sides because its much too small( but for a short time at home its wearable but not comfy) Oh and I'm from Switzerland. I had the chance to try today a few sister sizes of Cleo Marcie and Meg I posted about this here: http://www.bratabase.com/profile/3a1/adventures/176/
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Oct 28, 2012 Just when you think you know your shape...

This really is a learning curve. I thought I knew my shape and breast type. Unfortunately I think I made a few wrong assumptions on the way and now I think I need to totally rethink everything.

1. I am short therefore I have a short torso. Actually I think my torso is about average in length, but relative to ... my height (153 cm) it could probably be considered long. I have noticed I have had a number of the fit complaints noted here http://www.bralessinbrasil.com/2012/07/torso-length-height-underarm-fit-and.html in relation to a long torso. Conversely I have never experienced any of the fit issues noted by petite/short torso women such as straps that can't be shortened enough (in fact I usually adjust my straps as long as possible) or underwires poking into armpits.

2. I have been through a couple of pregnancies and rounds of breastfeeding so I must have soft breast tissue. I don't know why I thought this really, but it could not be more wrong. I am actually quite firm and now see why push up bras were all so wrong for me...I don't have a lot of squish factor! It seems like my boobs are all glandular tissue and not much else, so they dislike being squished too much and refuse to conform to some shapes altogether.

3. I have shallow boobs therefore no breast tissue on my upper chest. And I do still have shallow boobs but it seems my breast tissue goes much higher on my chest than I imagined. I seem to be suffering from the PMS FROM HELL right now and I am swelling everywhere. Parts of my chest that I did not think had breast tissue are spilling out. This is particularly noticeable in my Panache Porcelain which has a tightly closed upper cup. It is not so bad in the Rhea which is more open. In my defense I can only say that I don't normally get much pre-menstrual swelling so I have not noticed much of a problem before. While I do not get sore breasts before my period they do usually feel denser and heavier and I can now see that this is going on quite a bit higher than I've noticed before. So my conclusion is that maybe my breast tissue goes a little higher than I thought previously, but that said it's fairly shallow and doesn't need to all be contained in a bra cup, but at this time of the month I maybe need a bra cup that will allow a bit more room to move.

4. I have wide spread boobs so they are widely spaced in the middle. Not so, I thought this for a long time but if I place my pinky finger between my boobs both sides of my finger is pressing on breast tissue. I don't think there is a solution for this since there is only 2-3mm between my boobs and most underwire casings are around 5mm = never going to work.

So there it is I thought I knew my shape but maybe I really didn't. And I still have never found an answer to wide set bra straps which are all wrong for me but it seems that is all that is available. The only bra straps I have seen centred over the cup are full cups and they will never fit me.

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- I understand exactly what you're saying. When I first started my adventure in bras I too had many misconceptions about my boobs and their shape. The biggest realisation for me too was realising that my boobs were by no means wide-set, just splayed and narrow. I too also made the mistake of shallowness. The torso thing through me for a loop at first as well. ;) I'm tall but my upper torso is actually average sized. lol About the only thing I had right in the beginning was the firmness of my breast tissue. I've no children but have always had soft breast tissue. lol go figure I was wrong with just about everything at first.
- elfin! I'm laughing out loud here in front of my screen because I recognise myself so much :D
  
  It's so easy misunderstanding ones shape.
  
  I've ran back and forth like a mad person this summer and autumn. I still am.
  
  I think it's also due to the fact that there always is more than one explanation for a shape issue.
  
  So June got hers - "long torso" - while Nesoa says "high on chest". But to me it seems they describes about the same issue - struggling with getting lift.
  
  And in the bra fitting word I think most people would see "I'm struggling to get lift" as an issue of vanity or want for a better shape rather than actually be about neck pain.
  
  I might as well go without a bra if the bra just gives me support because if I have support I will on top of me being weighed down by my boobs have them resting on my shoulders. A tighter band wont ever help if it's not even down to a 30 band. And with a 30 band I cannot breath and the wires will be pulled back and the Germans will say reversed "letterphobia" and it will still be about the same issue as June talked about from the beginning but they will say a looser band is the solution.
  
  She will need a longline bra while I will need cups with all the volume on top and next to none on the bottom. So that's why I've even slept in Tease Me even if it's too small and the center gore isn't flat, because my boobs are probably fuller in the middle than on the sides and I have no separation between them and I am just splayed.
  
  And so it goes on and on and on :D
  
  The only thing I end up with is that it's all a real mess :D
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Oct 28, 2012

I've been tackling the sleeping bra issue for quite some time now, and I've really despaired over it as it seems there are no good solutions to it, not even adequate ones. Sigh. As I nowadays wear mostly 32HH or even 30J, I'm a bit too curvy to Bravissimo's nightie range, not to mention that I've found them to run ... small even when I fitted into their regular H cups. Shame, for the nighties are really cute.
My emergency solution has been to sleep in a stoneage level 2 Shock Absorber (75F, if I remember correctly), but as it obviously doesn't fit at all and it's monstrously stretched, it gives no support whatsoever. I tried taking the wires out of some of my old bras that had a fitting cup but too big band, but they just won't work, my boobs slide out of the cups as soon as I'm horizontal.
So yesterday I ditched the old Shock Absorber and bought a new one, D+ Max sports bra in 75G. Now, it doesn't fit properly if I were to use it for what's it meant for, but for sleeping it's quite good. Sure, it does squeeze my boobs into a shelf (I predict trouble in the summer when it's hot...), but the support is good and since I took a bigger band than what I need, it won't strangle me in my sleep. It'll do nicely while I search for the _perfect_ sleeping bra.
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- I've slept in a CK Tease Me :D However you might need to make the inside a little softer as the seams can irritate the nipples a little. Apart from that it's a nice soft and warm sleeping bra :D
- Is it good to sleep in a bra? I never do nor do I wear one around the house but I suppose I have smaller breasts
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Bras I've tried

34F 2007-2012
Freya Millie - it fitted until two years ago - as long as I did not scope
Panache Tango - it never gave me support even close to my Freya bras and the band was terribly loose.
Pollyanna - it fitted me until I had worn bigger sizes and learnt how to scop
Freya Arabella - too wide for my boobs ... and cut them off on top
Freya Retro plunge - fitted when not scoping until this summer
Freya Eden bikini - It was too small.
Freya Cabaret biniki - too small
Fantasie Atlanta bikini - My boobs jiggled more than without a bra on.

34FF
Freya Eden - now way too small since learnt how to scope
Freya Cabaret - way too small cutting in on top like madness

32H
Andorra - too small from day one

32HH
CK Lottie - Fitted kind of but the center gore turned upon each other
Freya Lauren - Fitted kind of but I didn't like the shape
Freya Pollyanna - Fitted kind of but the shape was odd

32J
CK Princess - some minor gaping at top
Flirtelle Camilla - some gaping at top
Freya Lauren - some gaping at top
Andorra - kind of fitted but the wires poked breast tissue as it felt

30J
CK Tease Me - couldn't make the center gore lay flat, didn't hold my boobs.
CK Emily - crawled out of it, quadboob after altered center gore

32JJ
CK Emily - kind of fitted but some gaping at top
CK Romance - kind of fitted but some gaping at top

34HH
CK Emily - kind of fitted but some gaping at top
Gooddess Alice - too big

34J
Panache Andorra - gaping at top
Panache Sienna - couldn't quite fill it and then thought the wires were at fault (bad thought!)

34JJ
Panache Sienna - way too big - boobs just sloped down and disappeared

36J
Panache Andorra - too big

38HH
Masquerade Rhea - so big I laughed

36F
Tease Me - way too small
Thrill Me - way too small
Fleurty - way too small

36FF
Tease me - too small
Fleurty - too small
Thrill me - too small

36G
Freya Pollyanna - weirdest shape ever with too much apex and cutting in on top, while wire still too wide on the side but still too low and still too little coverage on the sides in that bra anyway. Band riding up.
CK Fleurty - Too small, don't get around to my boobs at the sides so wires sits on breast tissue. Band extremely loose wouldn't support the wires.

34GG
CK Tease Me - the first bra I've ever refused to take off, that has ever managed to lift my boobs without giving shoulder pain. Even if the center gore didn't look flat. Three days later I'm starting to scope myself out of it.

I've slept in Tease Me 34GG. I've been out in Tease Me 34GG. I've slacked in Tease Me 34GG. I wore it almost 24 hours non stop.

The Tease Me works because it has a shallow bottom that lifts my boobs and allow my tops top shape themselves. It works because the wires are in front of my body so I need to scope everything to my bobs and not to my sides anymore. That actually makes my boobs stay full on top.

But I'm starting to fall out of it. I don't think a 34H would be a good idea for anything but sleeping since the 30J was so unstable. I still think it's time for me to try to crack Ewa Michalak.

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- Forgot to add:
  
  32HH, CK Bondi Breeze - band too tight, sloped into cups too big
  34H - sloped into cups so too big
  34HH- way too big
- What a great list--very descriptive. I think many of us have a similar list, along with a lot of frustration.
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Ewa Michalak CHP bras

So, as Ewa Michalak has some new bras out, and they are gorgeous! I have a CH bra in 36H, which is too small in the cup, and too big in the band..... Then I have two PL's in 34JJ, the band is good, but the cup is so incompatible with me (I think the cup volume is actually too ... big, but there is orange-in-glass, so they still spill over, and the bra 'collapses' in the empty space, so giving a droopy look.). But, these 3 Ewa Michalak bras are the only ones who don't make my boobs wider than my body, which is pretty much my #1 wish for the shape. So I would love to try some more. The CHP bras don't come in 75J, which is what I estimate I would need, but, they come in 85GG, which would be the sister size of 75HH (So I guess, either I could have it made by Ewa Michalak, or I could alter it myself), but, do you think there is a chance that I could fit the HH? As in, is it more generous than CH bras for example?
One of the models who is modeling the CHP's seems to have a larger cup-size than 85GG (or it's sister sizes), so maybe it is larger than usually?
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- I haven't (yet) tried the CHP style myself, but from what I've read in various places it does seem to run large in the cup. Also, if 'sister sizing' works in CHP as it does in CH -- someone correct me if I'm wrong! -- then 75HH might actually be about a cup size bigger than 85GG ...
- I'm confused - sister sizing is just a question of the same cup-volume on different bands - so 2 band sizes smaller, would be 2 cup-size-letters bigger... So 85GG=75HH
  
  I wonder if it is a bit more open at top, than the CH's too? One thing that sort of surprised me with CH's was that it did actually 'close in' at the top, where a lot of other bras of similar styles, are quite open.
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Oct 26, 2012 - Darcy 30F

The Darcy 30F arrived yesterday, and although there is gaping on the lace (especially near the center gore), I think I will buy more of this size since it's not gaping an entire cup size, it doesn't hurt and once I get better at swoop and scooping, or have any amount of migration I think it may fit perfectly.

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- Glad to hear that the Darcy works for you. :)
  
  You could also mess with the other bras of this cut and hunt for the older versions on ebay, especially ebay.co.uk. The different colours tend to run a bit different in the cup, sometimes the difference can be up to half a cupsize. So you might find a bra with the same cut that runs a bit smaller in the cup.
- It's great that you found something that is going to work! When you get the chance can you measure it and enter into the database please? I've been looking at the Darcy for a while but not quite sure what cup size I will need and there are few entries for Darcy. Might give me a little help in narrowing down what size I will need.
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I need 15 more people to help! :)

I still need 15 more people to friend me on facebook and to "Like" Squittenssecrets page in order for me to get a 20% discount from my order.. which I know doesn't sound like a lot, but it'd help me soo much because I've spent too much on bras trying to find my right size/styles. ...

My page link is: www.facebook.com/huggle.snuggle.1

Her eBay store's page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Squittenssecrets/506754789337932?fref=ts

Isn't it so frustrating when you think you have your size after wearing the wrong one for so long, just to find out through expensive trials that it might not even be the perfect size? Sigh.... I think the longline (linked below) will be my last order for a while.
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Snakeskin longline demi bra

What do you guys think about it? :)

http://www.lanebryant.com/snakeskin-longline-demi-bra/p141474/index.pro

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