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• I just realized the most freaky thing about this of all. When the creases starts to mould I'm sometimes in a bra and sometimes not. When I wake up with big boobs I'm almost never in a bra.

  For these past months a lot of the time I've not even been wearing a bra. Not only have I slept without a bra but also sometimes there have been to much trouble with the bras.

  Still boobs are jumping. Clearly they decide what they want to do. I have no say and if migration and remigration is anything even close to natural then I shall not have a say. Boobs shall tell me what to do to help out. And clearly they do.

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• Oh, what bra? :D Maybe I can do some online window shopping lusting over a set as well? :P

• It's the ice blue Rhea Masquerade I bought off ya :D It's *wonderful* (and it fits, whew), I'm going to wear it all the time now. The only thing I couldn't help thinking when I put it on, though, was that it would look even better on a blond-haired woman :D Ergo the hair-dying idea.

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How my bra fitting went so wrong - the girl with invisible boobs

I never really understood the fact that my boobs always grew on the sides. I hated that apex pointing east and west.

I didn't know the reason for my boobs pointing down was called "full on top".

I didn't know that if high on chest you won't know if a bra fits before you tightened the straps like madness. (Thanks ... Nesoa!)

And the thing is; about the arms and boobs built up on space; even fitters from stores equal to Bravissimo missed this. This is why I today look like this in the Pollyanna I raved fitted me when I came to Bratabase. The only thing I've done is tightening the straps.

The tissue under my arms becomes invisible when I lift my arms. The tissue high up on my chest is just as shallow. Like a plus size version of this phenomenon. http://www.venusianglow.com/2012/09/small-breasts-with-broad-base.html But to that add the fact that my boobs had a part in the middle that would show, that would project. Then you have the reason I ended up so extremely ill fitted. As soon as I got into better fitting bras this summer I would feel the hurt from the wires not being big enough on the sides. It would look as if my bras was too big and wires to wide. I would feel like I was hallucinating or had some wishful thinking. People would tell me to go down in cup size and I had no idea about how to explain what was going on.

I might have gotten some more fullness on my sides now thanks to remigration. But it still was always there. (Thanks to Nesoa and t_maia to actually pointing out breast tissue might be invisible).

It really makes sense if one thinks about it: East and west pointing apex will need to have a lot of volume on the sides. It would not point out otherwise. When I showed pictures of my two breast creases I wasn't even aware of the fact that the very first crease of my breast would have allowed absolutely no volume on the sides what so ever. Because that crease is even outside the front of my body. I didn't even see that until the day after I took the picture. I was just feeling I was hallucinating. Making up a story that was to good to be true. Just because I wanted better proportions. But I wasn't.

Still I'm questioning the truth in the theory of migration and remigration. I clearly can put tissue from my stomach via my back up on top of my boobs. When I take tissue from my back my stomach seems to fill up with fat at the sides giving me rolls at my back, that I can tuck into my cups. That would in theory make me reduce my waist line. If someone other than me wants to try that out go ahead, I think it would work. I just do not want to do that. I love my stomach just as it is. But when someone will look at me thinking I am unhealthy and having fat on my boobs would be more healthy I will question it and know a lot of things we people think about as "natural" or "healthy" on our bodies is up to cultural perceptions. Also I will ask how on heavens earth people would pay for fat transfers when it's just as easily done with ones own bare hands.

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• There is the people in the movement that proclaims there is a mass reverse-alphabet phobia that claims that wires should be on the front of the body, that loosening the straps etc is the best solution. Though I definitly think they are wrong about that, they are right about one thing, one must learn to separate breast tissue from simple fat, and not all fat on the back/below the underbust etc should be scooped in. The trick is to try to learn what is what... Which is damn hard...

  Being very high set there is the waist issue, definitly. When I scoop from below the cup I have to be very careful. I have the advantage of having very little fat that I can scoop in but I can still manage to pull the cups down. In the beginning that actually does feel more comfortable, and looks as it fits better as some of the high-set problems disappear when wearing the bra lower than usual. However, that's not how it should be done and after some time it starts hurting again.

  I think that what you need to learn is to feel, feel and feel, and then to after each wear look at the marks from the wires and feel around them. Have you had just fat/skin inside the wire or breast tissue on the outside? Is so, try to do the scooping better next time.

  May I just ask, how firm are your boobs? Do you have a natural crease below?

  I think it's harder than usual for you as you both have really big boobs, some body fat plus wires causing migration so you end up trying to learn it form the start without the easiest case to practise on. You have done great so far and travelled a long way. It's a hard journey and for me it took years and I was way too stubborn and wrong in the beginning. :P

• And I can also agree on that the combination that I think we both have disguises how big the boobs actually are. Just being nude my boobs doesn't look especially big at all, especially not the JJ/K-cup I'm at now. However, if one would draw a line around the base and then actually notice the breast tissue that is there there is a whole other thing.

  I remeasuered my breast perimeter today after realising that I didn't now where my breasts end under the arm, again, and suddenly I'm up 2 more cm... And I find this hard, while being in good bras in 3 years now, and never anything really bad... So, you are doing great. :) It's just really hard this.

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• Where do you live? (=country) And, just make sure that you pull the back tight on the 30 or have an extender on the 28s if they are not the proper band size.

  I would also suggest a 28F, 30F and 28G rather. That way you get the same selection, only that you also will be spacing the 28s better and therefor easier determine which size you need. You will only be either a cup size or a band size from your true size. :)

• Nesao's suggestion is sound, bc a 28F is the same cupsize as a 30E and a 30F is the same as a 28FF.

  Before you order you might want to check whether the band of a bra runs tight or not. For example the Freya Padded Halfcups are rather loose in the band, also the Cleo Juna is a bit looser than other Panache bras, but the Cleo Marcie is really tight.

  Note also that how far your tissue extends to the back influences your bra size. I need very wide wires, therefore I wear a 40H. Theoretically I could also wear a 44FF, the band would be stable enough, but in this size the wires are way too narrow.

  People who suggested the 28FF to you might be drawing on their own experience of needing wide wires. Also a slightly too big cup can make the band feel loose, so if the 30F feels loose in the band try the 28F with an extension.

  It also makes more sense in the beginning to order 1-2 bras in a lot sizes to determine your size first before you start looking for the right cut. Once you know your size you can order a lot of bras in that size.

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• Ha, it's great to see you've discovered the world beyond VS bras and bad fitting :P
  Sure go ahead and ask for help, should be alright :)

• Great, thanks! My boobs (bra covered of course) will be plastered all over Bratabase!

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• Granted, it is a very difficult measurement, I'd say go with the average, they should all be within that one inch difference right?

• More than likely. I did not cut in with the tape. I just made sure it seemed taut. It is really tricky to tell where the boob ends on my side. I know this isn't rocket science, but it is really not clear cut to me. I think for the most recent measurement, I leaned to the right, placed the tape at the end of the resulting boob bulge then leaned forward and wrapped it around toward the center....But that isn't all I tried. I also tried starting along the edge where my boob under crease ends on my side, then I tried cutting in to see where my body met rib cage in the front and started there, then I started this leaning to the side thing. Which one is appropriate? Do I sound crazy? I am, you know. I am a very, very uhh. Look, I don't even know what they call this....OCD? I want the best possible measurement so I can get the best possible recommendations.

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• Only iOS6 allows webpage picture uploads. And the update isn't relseased until next week, meanwhile it is impossible :( http://stackoverflow.com/a/4037819/43490

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