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Jun 13, 2013 - Oh lord, I'm gonna need a wireless nursing bra.

Well, I'm here because the inevitable happened- I got pregnant before I lost enough weight to get down into a reasonable bra size.

I'm currently wearing a Freya Pollyanna in a 32J which I'm finding comfortable enough, but the center gore doesn't lie flat because it's a little too wide for the space in between my boobs.

I have a 34" ribcage ... (while exhaling, tend to like my bands on the snug side.)
15" breast (sternum to ribcage as required for this site.)
12" nip to neck.
I would describe my breasts as Full on top, Wide root, Close boobs, Narrow shoulders.

I know these measurements are gonna change probably before the end of my pregnancy, and definitely when my milk comes in. I am hoping to breastfeed.

I have tried the Panache Sofie Soft Cup in a 34 J, and the cups were way too small, ribcage was snug but not tight).
The Bravado Sublime in a 34 J/K (WAY too small in the cup. Fit fine in the ribcage.)
And finally the Royce Sadie Soft Cup in a 36 K, which was just way too small all over, lord that brand runs small.

I am at my wit's end and wondering about ordering from Ewa Michalak (specifically http://www.ewa-michalak.pl/product-eng-278-KM-Biszkopty.html) or getting a custom made bra from a local seamstress who seems confident- but I am worried about cost.

Anyone have any suggestions? Comments? Questions? Halp!
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- can you remove the wires and convert your polyanna?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56N2i8LhzPk
  
  Also google showed these wireless bras though I am not familiar with them
  http://www.biggerbras.com/catalog/bras-lingerie-swimwear.shtml?ss_1=&ss_2=&ss_3=&ss_4=809
- Thank you for the ideas! I never would have thought of removing the underwire from an existing bra. I guess I didn't think they would hold up. Perhaps I should try getting crafty
  
  I also hadn't come across that site- I will do some looking into the fit and sizing on Goddess- I'm not familiar with them.
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Jun 13, 2013

HI Ladies

Thank you all for your help. Since I was getting varied numbers when measuring cup size, not to mention having trouble holding the measuring tape parallel, I tried something new. My breasts are rather perky, so I decided to try something. At the base of my left breast, where the band would lay, I took the measuring tape ... and placed that against my skin, and went out with the measuring tape to the tip of my nipple. The tape was straight, completely. I got a measurement of four inches, which does relate to the 4 inch difference I usually get when measuring the normal ways. Just wanted to share this with as it may be a way to measure for cup size if you have firm breasts. If I stick out four inches in front thats a really easy way to tell a cup measurement. Thoughts ladies, if I am off base here?
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- If each breast did project four inches, that would be 8 inches of projection total. When you measure the regular way, you are getting roughly half of the difference between your underbust and your bust from one breast, and half from the other.
  
  I think it is just coincidence that in your case this works.
  
  If you measure from the bottom to the nipple, there will be variability due to overall breast height and nipple placement. If you measure from the inside or outside, you'll still be affected by the curve of the breast itself.
- Hi Aaa,
  
  I do see your point. I hadnt really thought of what you said and I guess its just dumb luck that it worked. If you have a chance, could you view my fit request? Several folks say I need to size down in the band, and I have that on order, but someone else told me a size down in the band would be an inch smaller than the tightest setting on the band in the bra I asked for help on, so now I am thinking a size down would be too small.
  
  Thank you
  
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"Specialty" bra stores really do suck at times...

I very rarely wear bras, partly out of laziness, partly because I *really* cannot be bothered navigating the racks to find my apparent bra size - it seems like discount department stores like Target and K-Mark rarely stock 10A bras, because the average sizes have increased massively.

However, I'm working on a costume formal dress that isn't black, so I need ... to purchase a nude strapless bra. I've been looking for the last couple of weeks in my local Target and K-Mart, but I've had no success. I've resigned myself to the fact that I do need to spend more than $20 on a bra.

I almost found the perfect bra at one store that would've only cost me $35. The 10A seemed to be too small in the band for me (lots of wrinkles where the band is attached to the cup), but the 12A is too large in the cup.

I set foot in the Bras N Things store in the Mid-City building at Pitt St Mall, Sydney. I was previously fitted at another Bras N Things a few years ago, but I didn't really pay much heed to it as the woman didn't seem to be trained too well. I had found a couple of bras that would work, one in a 10A ($40 or so) and one in a 12A (around $35). I ran into the same problem as I did before; wrinking in the 10A band and gapping in the 12A.

I don't know why I asked if they had a 12AA. I think I was deluding myself into thinking that they *may* have something - ANYTHING - that would work. The response I got? "Oh, sorry - no-one makes AA sized bras anymore."

WHAT. THE. F***? Not only was I told something completely and totally wrong (I had seen wire-free "training" bras in a 10AA at Target; a two-pack even!), but then their solution was to sell me a bra extender to go with the 10A. I caved out of embarassment and shock and purchased the 10A bra and their extender... I am still too angry to return to their store to get a refund. When I do go back, I will be telling them exactly what I think of their "customer service".
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- Have you tried online? Places like figleaves have a wide range of smaller sizes plus they have an outlet where you can get proper bargains.
- I don't mean to be too nosey, as this is a very personal issue, but I read in your post that you haven't been fitted in a few years. Part of your problem could be that your measurements have changed since your last fitting. It's sometimes better to measure yourself at home. If you're interested in measuring yourself at home, a lot of ladies have success using the methods on this site: http://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/wiki/measuring
  But whatever you choose to do, good luck! Finding a strapless bra is a pain! :/
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Freya Deco Question

I tried the Deco once before but I think I could have used a size up. The cup seemed droopy to me and just did not hold up well under the weight. Today I tried the Flamingo print Deco in the store and it seemed like the cups were thicker than I remember. Does anyone else find certain styles of the Deco to be thicker in the cup than the regular nude plunge?

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- A droopy shape and issues with support can also be caused by problems with the strap placement or 'armhole' of the bra. If you're petite, high-on-chest, and/or narrow-shouldered your arms can be pushing the cups forward and down.
- Yeah, some of the 'fashion' styles of the Deco (Taylor, Flamingo) are a lot sturdier in the cup--thicker padding I suppose?--with further sturdiness added by the trim around the cups.
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How to measure cup depth?

Just a question; How should I measure cup depth? Today I measure slightly stretched over my knee because boobs will add some force to the bra when on and it turns out logic for me to measure in that way. How do you measure?

So Jj what is the right way?

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- I also had some difficulty measuring this, but I just tried to measure along the longest line between each end of the underwires, without stretching.
- In my experience you have to use something to stretch out the cup on almost all the bras to get the right cup depth as there is some elastic at the armhole that on all unpadded bras pull the cup together slightly....
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Hooray For Impulse Purchases

My new Comexim Green Velvet from Emmeth was waiting for me when I got home from work. I have to say I don't regret leaping at the opportunity to purchase this bra. What a beautiful bra! I just love the color and the velvet flocking is a nice touch. I just put it on, so I'm ... not ready to declare "It fits!" just yet. My first observation is that the cups seem slightly roomier than my Comexim Juliette which is also 65HH. But not a big deal! It will be interesting to compare their measurements. For now, I'm going to wear it around for a while and see how it feels! This seems like a keeper
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- hooray, i'm glad it got there quickly :] interesting to know that it's bigger than the juliette, in case i ever get the urge to buy another of their bras. i hope it fits!
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Professional fitting!

We're very fortunate in our town to have a independent boutique that offers a very good fitting service - it stocks all the main UK brands - so cleo, panache, freya etc. however it isn't flawless.

Due to weight loss/tissue migration in recent months, I recently found myself busting out of my 32gs that had suddenly become big in the ... band but too small in the cup. So off I went for a fitting!

Firstly, my fitter was very hands on (they always are) and looked at the fit of the deco I had on - she looked at my fit (band riding up on its tightest setting/quadraboob) and said 'maybe its just coz it's an old bra!' (Yes coz 3 months is ancient for a bra!) she brought me a brand new 32g to try on - it can only be described as an epic fail! I was bulging out the cups at the front and the sides! So she dutifully went and got a 32gg. The fit on the cups was perfect and she was adamant that the band was perfect too- even tho I said that it felt loose. I bought the bra (mainly because I'm not ready to admit I've been sized out of my beloved deco). After two weeks of wear, not only is the band on the 2nd hook (I'm loathe to put it on the smallest so that I extend the life of my bra) but there are two empty pockets of space behind the wings that I can get my thumbs down! And my fitter was adamant that it was perfect! Hmmmm!

Overall I think this is the worst fitting I've had there - my first fitting there was amazing and the one I had when I went to collect a cleo I had ordered was 1st class as well- however I am uncomfortable with the fact that they sometimes will put women in the wrong size bra to get a sale- it would have been easier if the fitter had said 'your sized out of deco, but x,y,or z will give a similar shape/style/level of support', especially as the cleo bella I ordered gives a similar high, round shape to a deco.

It's by no means the worst bra fitting I've ever had (hello m&s) but it left a little to be desired- I suppose it goes to show that really good boutiques even have off days!
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- What a shame the fitter didn´t admit the bra was not a perfect fit, when it obviously wasn´t :(
- As far as high street fittings go it was pretty good- but it still wasn't perfect :/
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What do we mean with "it runs small in the cup"?

So I did a comparison with my 30J - Curvy Kate » Emily (CK5001) and 30J - Cleo » George (5131) The largest of them is the CK bra, not the Cleo bra. But where is the Emily smaller? In the front near the gore.

Panache Andorra Full Cup (5675) same story different name ... and brand. Shallow near the gore. Especially on top. Actually George in 30J has the same volume near the gore as 34J - Panache » Andorra Full Cup (5675). Tango is a shallow bra? No way. Not shallow in any kind of way. In 30JJ (one size smaller than 34J Andorra it's way larger and allows an immense volume front and center near the gore.

Liliana Bra (TU100) 32J Same volume as Andorra 34J in the gore but far more shallow in the armpit. Overall that bra is seriously shallow. But for those saying Andorra has narrow wires and Liliana wide wires. No. 34J Andorra has at least one cm larger wires in one size larger.

Conclusion: Andorra doesn't run small in the cup and neither does Emily. They run small in the gore and both has wide wires.

Liliana is like the shallowest bra ever produced but it's very front and center.

Cleo George runs quite small in the cup but allows gore volume and therefore comes off as larger.

And Panache Tango is simply a huge bra!

But! How all this turns out on a body is a completely different story.
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- Just got a Panache Sienna from another member here and your comment "How all this turns out on a body is a completely different story." is the understatement of the year.
  
  Time for 3D uploads of boobs and bras and computerized matching. Jj and Nesoa : this won't be a problem, will it? :)
- Oh dear @RG I would have talked you out of trying that bra had I known you would XD I find that bra very very shallow on bottom. Good for me but probably not for you. It's a difficult bra to say the least. For Panache, I wonder why I haven't thought about it before, you could try Jasmine. In either 32G or 34FF (tight band and run large in the cup) I think. That bra actually could give you less coverage and the front depth you need.
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Comexim Sizing

I have had good luck so far with Ewa Michalak as far as shape goes. I have narrow, round breasts with a lot of projection. I have heard Comexim is also good for my shape, but I'm not sure where to start with finding my size. My best fit is usually 32GG/30H, underbust is 30" and over is 41", which ... puts me in a 75HH on their size chart. From reading reviews, results from using their size chart vary. I tend to prefer the firmer support of a slightly smaller cup and I don't quadraboob too easily. Any suggestions on where to start? What are your experiences with Comexim sizing?
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- We are almost the same measurements. I am 31" & $2". I've been told to start when my usual 32/70 band and use the chart for my bust measurement. I have a 65M & 70K in transit. I'll let you know how they fit when I receive them.
- I look forward to hearing how they work out. Good luck with the fit!
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Oh boy.

I examined some bras today at an Intimacy. (No time to try on, unfortunately. Next time.)

Upon this cursory examination of wire widths, immediate projection, and cup height, I believe that the only bra brand that will consistently fit me is Empreinte.

>.<

Needless to say (but I will anyway), I currently cannot afford bras that are US $170 plus.

If ... I magically win the lottery, my fellow bravangelists here on Bratabase, especially my short-boobed comrades-in-empty-cup-tops, will receive a selection of Empreinte bras for them to try, in their appropriate size ranges, of course. Alas, I do not expect this windfall to come, since you have to PLAY the lottery to be able to win it, but a girl can always hope.

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- Grrr.
  
  Upon further examination of their band and cup ranges, I will likely only fit into 2 or 3 of their styles. And I don't think they go under 32 band or over H cup, unless they're silly and convert to US sizing incorrectly.
- omg their sizing is different for every style in each line.
  so confusing
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Jun 09, 2013

I am now purchasing a Panache Ariza Balconnet Bra (5051) wish me luck!!! I've never in my life had a proper fitting bra and now I don't even have a bra period, so this absolutley neeeeds to work.

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- Good luck!
  
  The Ariza has wires that are quite narrow by Panache standards, so if they're too narrow for you, don't give up on the brand. On the other hand, if they're too wide, Panache (and its sub-brands) is probably not the brand for you.
- If it doesn't fit when you get it, go ahead and take pics so you can put up a fitting request. Even if this bra doesn't work, if we can see how it fits, you can get advice on which bras (and sizes) may work better (but hopefully the Ariza will work!) :)
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Breast shape/strapless bra help

Edited - thank you for all the advice!

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- Hello :)
  You are almost my measurement twin and I think our breast shapes are pretty similar as well. *twin wave*
  It's possible that your breasts are a bit less wide (I mean, cover less of the width of your torso, don't know how to put this better :)) than mine... Fantasie bras, so far, didn't work for me, but since you said that the Cleo Juna & Meg fitted you, I'd advise you to check out the Ewa Michalak Strapless models.
  
  I added a 70C - Ewa Michalak » Czarny Strapless to the site, check out the measurements. I would now rather choose a 70D for myself than a 70C, maybe that would be a better size for you, too. However, I think it might help you to get a rough idea of what the specs are for this bra :)
  
  Generally, the EM straplesses are the best! :D To be honest, I only tried one other strapless bra, the Panache Porcelain Moulded Strapless (3370), and that bra's a catastrophe on almost everyone, so I don't have a lot of experience, but I know that the EM Strapless I have is so comfortable I can wear it all day, so I think it's a good bra.
- Thanks Suna - this is super helpful, and always good to know you're not alone! I too have found the Panache Porcelain a complete disaster - I tried a couple of wonderbras which didn't work either and then felt a bit dispirited. I'm interested by your EM suggestion - had discounted her bras on the grounds I (think I) need fairly wide wires, but I won't know until I try, and it's encouraging to hear it works for you. I find her size calculator completely baffling - it tells me I'm a 75B - should I just ignore that?
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Inconsistent sizing

What is the difference between a 30 and 34 band?
Easy one. The 34 band is much longer than the 30 band!
But Panache doesn't think so!
I did today a comparison picture of 3 Arizas and was shocked at the difference!
All three bras have not been worn before I took the picture. I had all 3 bras washed and stuffed away, ... so I didn't stretch out the bands by wearing.
The black one is a 30K and has the longest band!
Middle one: 34J lilac/ pink = fits me best.
Violet mix is a 32JJ and I have the gore taken in on that one. (but not on the other ones) The black 30K has still the biggest band!
Proof picture where you can see all size tags: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/8997185694/
Are you serious, Panache?

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ariza band comparison

Explore Braboratory's photos on Flickr. Braboratory has uploaded 44 photos to Flickr.

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- I'm not surprised. I think there might be similar issues with Andorra.
  
  But what I think about is something like this; does some of the bands stretch more than the others? My 32H - Panache » Andorra Full Cup (5675) is like 70cm nowadays I think
- Hmm it seems the measurements on Andorra are the same, but the different colors have stretched extremely differently.
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Melody vs. Harmony

I'm currently on a quest to find a nude bra for summer that isn't made out of a scratchy fabric like Panache Ariza Balconnet Bra (5051).

I'm looking at Panache Melody and Harmony: I have tried the Panache Harmony Full Cup Underwire (4035) once and the band felt super tight and unstretchy and the top section ran ... tight - which doesn't match that well with my full-on-top boobs.
Panache Melody Fullcup (6055) does actually have the same cut as the Harmony fc but I might solve my issues with sizing up in the cups. Does anyone know if the band is that unstretchy on Melody fc too?

However - the balconette(s) might work for me:
Bratabase says: "Although the Panache Melody Balconette (6051) is the follow-up model to the Panache Harmony Underwired Balconnet (4031) the cuts are significantly different."
What is the differnce between both bras?
And - does the band run tight on the balconette too? Any information would be helpful

tagging: t_maia, BumbleBean, raspberryleaf, petalmoon, Nesoa, ohmyohmy, Vee

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- I've owned both the Panache Melody Balconette (6051) and the Panache Harmony Underwired Balconnet (4031) and I never found any difference at all, apart from different lace was used and the lace of the first one might have been a touch more supportive. Someone else who edited the thing on Bratabase apparently had a different opinion. Same thing with BrasIHateAndLove, if you look at her blog.
- As to the band, I found it a touch big on me in a 28-band, but with the center gore taken it it was really good and I'm borderline between 26 and 28.Honestly, the band is the most comfortable band I've ever tried. The fabric is smooth and elastic, but firm. The elastic at the band is really wide, especially compared to @Freya and I honestly just found it the most comfortable band ever...
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Tutti Rouge sizing

So I sent TR a message asking about sizing in the rest of the line after Liliana Bra (TU100) coming up small, and this is their response:

"Hi, thanks for your message - we are addressing the slight fit issue with Liliana, we are advising our customers to go up a cup size in ... this style. For the rest of the collection, we believe it to run true to size, but can only advise that you maybe try and get along to a Bravissimo store to try our next style 'Betty' before you purchase as the remainder of the collection go to a 'HH'. Good luck and let us know how you get on : ) x"

Super helpful, I'll just get on a plane to England, shall I? >_< That aside, they at least think they'll run differently, so we'll see. I'm hoping at least the half cupness will make Betty Bra (TU103) more forgiving?

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- Haha, your sarcastic rambling made me laugh! xD "I'll just get on a plane to England, shall I?" That made my day xD So spot on haha... Maybe not the most thought-out answer they could've given :P Anyway... A fairly good response. I'm hoping some of their other bras won't be so wide in the underwires.
- :D
  
  I'll be your guinea pig, the Betty is in my exchange order so as soon I send all too large Liliana away I will tell everything about the Betty :D
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Cleavage angles - a way to determine breast shape or what does it say?

I have lately started to study cleavage angle shapes. You know if you look in the cleavage of different persons some will have a V-like cleavage shape, some will have a straighter cleavage shape. Some will have an empty cleavage shape.

So I studied those I know of as center heavy which are alisa Vee and ... MilkAndHoney for example and I be damned their cleavages are not angled towards the middle in any kind of way.

On the other hand brasockpuppet has a very V-like cleavage just as myself. And so has for example ashewyn and Nesoa

I still don't know what this adds up to in the end, but I do thine these shapes in general will not fit the same bras. Those of us with a more plungy cleavage probably will fit into plunges while those with a straighter cleavage will have terrible problems doing so.

The plungeing shape is not about being fuller on top or bottom. I don't even know if it's about being fuller on the sides. But it's definitely about being higher on the sides than in the middle and it adds up to needing different bras than those with a straighter.

I figure something like this; halfcups on plungeing boobs that are not firm might give gaping in the middle. And what is my most fit issue? Gaping in the middle.

Help me fill out the blanks!

Oh and I just saw also Peggyko has a straighter cleavage.

This is all very interesting.
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- Which shape would have which issues with plunges? What would you predict I would have as a problem? Could you just explain, I got a bit lost? :)
- Dear Professor of Boobology
  
  I cannot answer the test question, but in the true nature of a PhD (or should I say PhDDD) I can simply add more questions. I have noticed that I need a cup that is fuller at the center bottom, so that (as someone else mentioned in needing a square cup) I need a \__/ shape and not a \/ shape. Maybe even |__/ shape.
  
  I think my cleavage has something to do with this, or this has some bearing on my cleavage. So, full on the inner side?
  
  I know I have soft boobs that fall out of true plunges and try to ooze over the top of narrower wires (or narrower at the gore like Lucy). OK, one soft boob that does that. The other is fine. Now what?
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Jun 06, 2013

For years I've felt like my bras weren't really giving me the support that I needed, but every time I went to a store to get measured they would insist that I was a 36C. At the beginning of June I ran across this blog post (http://sameatschildren.tumblr.com/post/45962915522/do-it-now-guide-to-proper-bra-fit-and-measuring) and decided to whip out the measuring tape and see where ... I ended up. I measured into a UK 32 FF/G, that's a US 32H/I! No wonder I felt like I didn't have the support I needed. I shared my findings with my mother who while agreeing that I needed new bras, did not think that I needed bras "that huge".

I've ordered some bras on online, and checked out the local Nordstrom for some bras in my size range and was amazed at how much lighter my chest felt, and how much my posture improved with the right size. It was heartbreaking to have to put my old bra back on after trying on ones that actually fit.

I'm waiting for some of the ones that I ordered to come in and hoping that I can find some keepers!
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- You should show her the Bra Band Project so she knows that 32FF/G isn't "that huge" :)
- You can also check the bra listings here for cheap bras in your new size. Good luck :)
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Jun 06, 2013

Hello Bratabase community! Which bras have a really short cup height? I'm finding that I fill out the width of 28DDs, but every bra I've tried so far has been too tall for my shape. I have a Cleo Leila and a Cleo Juna that fit OK for now, but they both have empty space at the top inner edge of the cup. Have tried the Juna in 28D also to see if it was a size issue and in that case the cups were too small/wires not quite wide enough. Any thoughts/recommendations appreciated!

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- Welcome to the 'short boob' club, flocculus ! I have been on the same quest, but so far with little success, unfortunately ...
- *raises hand
  
  Please let me know if you ever find one. :D
  (I'm a charter member of the short boob club.)
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My deco flamingo came!

I ordered a 28G and 28FF in deco flamingo. In my nude freya deco, I wear a 28FF but I'm kinda borderline on sizing.

28FF was obviously too small (my 28FF deco nude may also be and I MAY be in denial...). 28G was a great fit, though!

The bra is more pink than it looks online. Makes sense because it's flamingos, ... but online it looks red and white, but it's more of a pinky-salmony color. The band is really stretchy, like the 28 band stretches to closer to 31.5", but I can always alter it if I need to!

I am absurdly happy to have a bra with flamingos on it. Seriously, this is the greatest thing ever!
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- Stories like these really put a smile to my face :) I think the Deco Flamingo is a great example of lingerie that is "age appropriate" for those who are 18 or under. It's a fun addition to those who like to dress more "maturely" as well. Personally, I find that many bras are either too grown-up for my liking, or too simple. There seems to be very little "fun" in lingerie for C+ cups. I'm really glad that Freya took a different direction this time :)
- I love the Deco Flamingo! It's so sad that Freya limits the size of their Deco line, thus preventing me from having a bra with flamingoes on it. It's a really fun print, and something I would buy for me. I had to tell my sister about it though, I think she's planning to buy one when she has funds, which is the next best thing to me wearing one.
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Jun 04, 2013

Starting my foray into finding a well fitting bra. I've since found out that I most likely have shallow breasts (which I learned doesn't mean saggy) and they're pointy as well. I've been wearing a 34B unsuccessfully and by my measurements I 'should' be wearing a 34D. I find it crazy that I could be a D since my breasts appear small to me and I think this is a shape problem.

So I'll start the process of researching what all of these different types of breasts mean and begin the try on process!

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- Actually... A D-cup is quite small. Not tiny-small, but nothing humungous at all. I should be wearing a 28FF and my boobs are definitely not huge. I'd say they're a tiny bit larger than average on a woman with my frame.
- Maybe this will help you to pick bras that are likely to fit:
  http://www.bratabase.com/profile/65y/adventures/1530/
  And yes, my boobs are really small and I wear D or even DD ;-) cups too.
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