May 18, 2013
I have a job interview on Monday for a bra fitter position!
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What's the deal with most freya bras....! And soft vs. firm boobs!
Urgh, freya unpadded bras just annoy the crap out of me sometimes! (Sorry)
I really like the fabrics they choose sometimes and the designs but the shape....! I don't understand! I know a lot of women make them work, but my boobs will under no circumstance conform to the cup shape! It's super annoying, and in pictures it looks round, but ... on me it just looks so wrong! (Stupid boobs)
They always cut in at the top, and no matter how much I size up, the top edge cuts in. They seem to fit nicely at the bottom, but the apex is too deep. And the cup is too short. It's trying to curve into my boob way before my boob ends. And I feel like its either because my boobs are too soft or too firm! It's so confusing, that I don't even know if its because they are too firm or too soft...! I mean, how can I not know that!
But part of me thinks that they are too firm to "fall" into the cups/get squeezed in to cups. Another part of me feels like, that they are too soft, and if they were firmer/harder they would force/push the cup more open - cause I can push it open with my fingers, it just doesn't stay like that sadly.
Those of you who have similar issues, what's the reason for these issues??
I really can't find a way to confirm if my boobs are soft or firm. I think they might be sort of firm, but with a very soft layer of fat covering them. So they act firm, but they have some fat/loose skin which acts super soft ("falling out" (just the skin, not the boob) even in cups which seem too big). I've been told to try the "steak test", like people do on their face, but my face does not work for this (confirmed by several people) as my face is too hard/bony. If that makes sense. And then I've tried figuring out if they act like water in a bag, But they don't, but the skin covering my boobs does ever so slightly. I honestly don't think they are that soft, yet I have soft boob issues - what is it that I'm not getting??
Hmmmm.
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Freya's unpadded bras do exactly the same thing to me, cutting in on top, wrinkly apex and all! I'm relieved I'm not the only one who finds them so frustrating. The crappy shape and the huge bands have made me pretty much give up on Freya as a brand. I haven't bought anything from them for a while now.
I think your "boobs too firm" theory sounds right. Softer boobs may be able to squish themselves into the apex instead of bulging out over the top. Are you full on top? I suspect full-on-the-bottom boobs would be a better match for that particular cup shape. Instead of causing top bulging, though, the cups would probably turn full-on-the-bottom boobs into duck's beak shapes. Kind of a lose-lose situation there.
Honestly, my opinion is that someone at Freya isn't taking the time to make sure their bras are actually shaped like boobs. It's like they cut arbitrary shapes out of some pretty fabric, sew them together, put a random size label on the result and call it done.
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Freyas unpadded bras are known to be a tricky fit, and having the top cut in and wrinkling at the apex (even if you size up 3 cup sizes) is actually very common. There is something called the "Freya wrinkle", right at the apex...
I get it quite often, and for me it's definitly "too firm " that's the problem. My feeling about Freya is that you need to have quite a bit of depth, and a lot of fullness in the upper part of the breast, but at the same time that fullness needs to end immediatly where the cup ends, as it is so closed of along the edge. And that is a shape few women have...
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Show and tell
I don't think my husband really got it about how difficult it can be to find a bra that fits well until tonight, when I tried on a three-bra order from Bare Necessities in front of him.
Cleo Juna 32E (Nude): A really good fit. (I'm keeping this one.)
Panache Idina balconette 32E (Latte): On the right track, but there's a ... bit of quadboob where the stretchy trim at the top of the cups cuts in, which is unusual for me because I'm somewhat FOB. I think going up a cup size will fix it. (Exchanging for 32F.)
Curvy Kate Gia 32E (Seafoam, which means it has the new, allegedly improved CK fit with narrower wires and deeper cups): Empty, wrinkly space at the tops of the cups, but I don't think sizing down to 32DD is an option, because if the wires get any narrower they'll rest on breast tissue. Basically, everything I was afraid of in the new-fit CK bras. The wires are too low under my arms, but that's always been true of CK. (Returning.)
Husband: "Um, you're sure they're all the same size? Because they don't look like it at all."
Me: "YES. THE EXACT SAME &%$*#ING SIZE!!!"
Husband: "I'm not going to complain ever again about all those bra orders you just end up returning."
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Good for you! Men have NO idea what we go through. My husband's watched me give birth to three babies (2 vacuum deliveries & one C-section) and at this point he'd rather give birth than experience me trying to find a fitting bra!
I think he sneaks into my bra drawers at night to double check the sizing because he's still in shock at my "DD" size, haha.
I am SO glad you mentioned the Idina. It's one I've been wanting to try, but, like you, I have to order them because there isn't a place on this half of the continent that's heard of a 28 band. If I get the courage to order one, I'll try it a cup size up, because I tend to have quad-boob issues as well.
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ShaniSunAZ, I'd definitely size up in the cup for the Idina. As I'm slightly full on bottom, I'm more likely to have wrinkling at the top of the cup than quadboobing, but in the Idina the cups were definitely cutting in enough that it showed under a shirt.
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Advice for soft, close-set boobs?
OK, over the last year I've found some great advice here but I'm losing the bubble now.
Had a great Cleo Lucy bra, with cup separation about as narrow as it gets. But my left boob kept oozing over the edge, trying to meet the right boob for drinks or something. I have very soft, bags-o-water boobs. Forget the octopus--ever tried ... to hold a raw oyster? Now get one to stay in a bra!
So, I've seen advice to get a plunge, avoid a plunge, all sorts of things. What I am looking for is something with a slightly lower center gore (less than 3 inches since I am compact). I've only tried on lower gores for a few minutes in shops (and likely never in my real size since that was a while ago).
Any advice for a lower gore (so I can wear V necks) good for oyster boobs, size 32G (UK) that project more out than east/west, are close-set and want to be closer?
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Is there a reason you've been avoiding Panache? They have some pretty classy plunges that could work for you. namely Andorra and Idina plunge bras. I also think tutti rouge could be worth a shot if shallow bottom cups agree with you. I have the sam problem, my boobs will meet above any gore, but this one somehow kepth them apart, + has suppernarrow gore.
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Shallow on the bottom doesn't work--I get orange in a glass. From the reviews I've read, most Panache wires come up high and high wires poke my in the armpit or even in my arm. Also, Panache give a more rounded profile and round means my arms brush the sides of my boobs which a) is uncomfortable and b) makes my clothes wear out quickly where it rubs. The Lucy was right on the verge of being too rounded.
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Dominik strikes again.
So, if emailing from the website can't get me an answer, what should I do? Facebook post? Who answers the Facebook posts? Someone besides Dominik? Here's the email string:
My email on the form on the EM website:
I have found the 36JJ band too tight on the S Porcelanka. If I order the bra in 38J ... will it have the same wires? I do not want to have wider wires, as the wire on the 36JJ is already a bit wider than I need. I\'m wondering if it would be better to order the larger band size or wear the 36 with an extender?
Thank you,
Erin
To me from Sklep Ewa Michalak:
Hi,
Was that bra good in cup?
Greet
Dominik Michalak
http://www.ewa-michalak.pl/
My response:
Yes, the cup fits fine. I just want to make sure the wires are exactly the same in the larger band/smaller cup combination. Otherwise, I'll just order another 36 and alter it to lengthen the band.
Thank you,
Erin
His answer:
Hi,
If cup is bigger wire has to be bigger.
Greet
Dominik Michalak
http://www.ewa-michalak.pl/
Okay, first, I said the cup was fine - WHY would I order a larger cup??? AND I gave him the sizes: 36JJ vs 38J. AND I asked a specific question. Does he know ANYTHING about bras?
Where/who should I ask? I just want to make sure if I order a 38J that the wire will not be wider and cup shallower because I know some bra companies grade like that for larger band sizes, which makes sense, because a 38 body is a bit wider than a 36 body. But I've read here that Ewa's grading isn't quite like other companies. I think I'll just order a 36 and alter it. That would be easier than trying to get an answer from him and feeling it's an ACCURATE answer. At this point, I'd question anything he said - and on a $50 bra (plus shipping) from Poland, that's too much of a risk.
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I thought wires were supposed to be the same between sister sizes in EM, but I have a 65K PL Milady and a 70JJ PL Black, and the wires on the PL black are wider and higher in the gore. I don't know if the same is true of S bras, or within the same model. I will find out soon because I ordered a 70J S so I did not have to deal with custom orders... if the wires do end up being wider, I should have just dealed with the hassle because my wires are already verging on too wide.
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mtblankus, the wires should be identical. Ewa Michalak does use pure sister sizing so the difference between a 36JJ and a 38J will only be in the band. However, as they are so random you will not know what you'll get until you have it in your hands.
EllenMcisaac, was your Ewa Michalak Pl Black (64) and your Ewa Michalak Pl Milady (330) manufactured at the same time? I know there has been some changes the last couple of years, I think they might have switched wire manufacturer etc, and I know that the old PL bras not necessarily fits the same as the new ones (but the changes should be quite minor, but be exactly what you describe, some changes in center gore height and minor changes in wire width.
I'm a couple of cup sizes smaller than you at a 60JJ/60K but I've sister sized my way down to a 85G fro ma 60JJ and tried every band size inbetween and the cups have been _identical_ apart from in my quite old EM bras, which was cut slightly differnetly.
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PL and CH Lilia Comparison
I've finally finished the post! Which makes this my SECOND comparison post, which have been for Ewa Michalak bras. Next up is the S and SM comparison.
PL and CH Lilia Comparison
I was lucky enough to get the PL and CH version of the Lilia and both in the same size! They were sold by different users on bratabase, still both practically new and both given to me around the sa...
http://voluptuouslythin.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/pl-and-ch-lilia-comparison/
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Any bras shaped like Victoria's Secret bras?
What style of bra is the Victoria's Secret Dream Angels Lined Demi (278127-X66) ? What kind of bra's are similar? This was the only bra that I could wear before I found my real size, but since I was wearing a 32 band... It stretched out quite quickly. I now know that the cup size wasn't perfect (32DD ... is the sister size for 28F, not FF which I figured out that I am) and now when I scoop and swoop and hold my tissue in there, I get quadboob... But the bra was so easy for me to wear! I would love to find a similar bra for t-shirts in my correct size, but I haven't seen any moulded cups with the same shape.
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In my experience, VS bras ran small in the cup. To me the Angel Demi's shape is like a rounded plunge half cup if that made any sense. The closest shape I've found is Ewa Michalak's CHP styles, but these give a lot more projection and roundness.
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That makes sense to me. I've been eyeing those bras since I got on bratabase because I think I'll like how they fit!
I couldn't vouch for the VS cups being small. With their smallest band, the bra still couldn't hold my boobs after a scoop and swoop.
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Help with Comexim sizing?
Hello all. I've never used this feature of Bratabase so hopefully I'm doing it right...!
After reading the Feminine Curve's review, I'm planning on making a Comexim Juliette my next buy. I've asked around a bit on r/ABraThatFits and am debating whether to get a 60HH or a 60J. Could anyone here offer any advice? It ... seems like the HH is about equivalent to a UK FF cup and the J a UK G, but I waver between those two sizes! My underbust measures 27.5" snug, 25.5" break-the-tape (and exhaled); my bust is 37" standing, 39" leaning (though I have a broad, muscular back, so a lot of that measurement isn't boob). Their sizing chart which puts me in a K/L cup in a 60 band, which seems pretty ridiculous for me.
You can see in my profile which bras fit me well, but basically the best shape that I've found so far is Freya's three-part 'balcony plunge', as I think they call them (the ones I own are Hello Dolly, Patsy, Martha). In a 28FF, the cups and wires are almost perfect. I have a 28FF Deco that fits pretty well; I quadboob in it after scooping and swooping but that settles after a couple minutes, and the wire doesn't really suit me--I can't get it to sit in my inframammary fold--but it looks fine under clothes and doesn't hurt.
I have also tried a number of Panache bras, all of which fit in a 28G, though the wires are far too wide. The worst offender was the Tango plunge, whose wires ended up nearly on my back! I have one Cleo, the Bella (same cut as the Marcie), in a 28G, whose wires are a touch too wide but whose cups are nearly perfect in size.
Anyway, sorry to ramble. I just don't want to spend all the money on the bra only to send it back. I'm already taking a gamble because the wires may too narrow, but I want to give it a shot. Thank you for your help!
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I ended up using my regular band measurement and then using their chart for cup size. Depending on the brand, I normally wear a 28GG or 30G. I ordered a 60J - Comexim » Magic Blue and a 65HH - Comexim » Juliette and hoped one of those would fit. I was lucky enough to purchase a Basic (170) in 65J from another user before I made my purchase from Comexim, and that gave me an idea of what size I should go with. I'm pretty happy with my purchases. Even though some have said that the Magic Blue runs tight, I found it to be more or less true to size, but then I like a firm band.
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Thank you, brasockpuppet, that's very helpful! It looks like the 65HH Juliette fits you pretty well, so I'll definitely go for the 60HH rather than J. :)
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Strapless Bra Travesties >:(
Is it too much to ask for a strapless bra that doesn't cut into the top of my boobs?!?!?! Or doesn't have a gore that comes up to my clavicle????
Anyway, I might as well cross the Freya Deco Strapless (4233) off my list of potential strapless bras. It is not nearly as disastrous as the Fantasie Smoothing Seamless Strapless (4530) on me, but is still sadly hilarious in fit :'(Filed under Bra sizing and fit
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I get them digging in all the time, Gossard Egoboost might be worth a try it's FOT friendly, and the 30 band is tight enough for a 28 to wear :)
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I'll have to keep the Gossard in mind! I have a strapless bra backordered from Ewa and now I'm worried :/. Although, when I put on a shirt that you'd wear a strapless bra with just to see how the Deco would look, it actually looked okay and not horrible! I'm still traumatized by the Fantasie strapless, I think. In that one it looked like my chest was trying to eat the bra D:
I don't even consider myself FOT, lately I've decided I'm somewhat even. It may explain why I fit into a lot of models... but not like an awesome fit, more like a mediocre fit. Except for when my short torso throws the fit off lol :(
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Aha :o
The reason people hate high wires is because they don't have any breast tissue there?! I cannot stand a wire or bra that doesn't reach into that armpit and almost behind it because there will be armpit hurtful quadboob when it doesn't. When poking into armpit has happened on me it hasn't been even ten percent as hurtful as a bra too small/low on the sides.
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I always assumed it was different heights of people that made the difference. I also prefer a high wire but I think I'm longer than average from shoulder to underbust. For evidence I have the fact that I wear bra straps on the loose end of the spectrum. I've also assumed that people being poked painfully by too high wires were (understandably) more vocal than those such as I who dislike low wires because of unsightly tissue escape.
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It's not always an issue of height. I'm 5'3.5" and have a short shoulder to bust/underbust depth and prefer higher wires for the same reason Branarchist mentions: If they are too low they create armpit quadboob and press into breast tissue which hurts. The height issue I have is CUP height where that cuts into the sides of my arms and then is also too baggy. I prefer halfcups and low balconettes for this reason.
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Deco Disaster
Just tried on my first Freya Deco Moulded Half Cup Bra (4232) in 32DD. The only other Freya I've ever tried was the Ellie in 34DD, which was huge in the band and too deep in the cups and slightly too narrow in the wires. I've never tried any of the other Decos because they're so notoriously bad ... on shallow and/or bottom-heavy boobs.
So I ordered the 32DD Deco Half Cup because it was a really good price, and there weren't any 32Es available at that price. Worth a try, I thought. Didn't look too bad when I first put it on. Nice cakes-on-a-plate effect.
Then I swooped and scooped.
Holy quadboob city, Batman! Also, I had to put the band on the tightest hooks immediately. Is this typical for the Deco Half Cup? I mean, I know Freya bands have a reputation for being loose/stretchy, but this will be the first time a 32 band has been largeish on me. (And I wear 34 bands in most bras by Panache and its sub-brands.)
The shape is quite good for me, so I'm thinking I'll be trying a 30F next. I can always use an extender in the beginning.
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There's not a chance that you've lost weight? Or do 34" bands in your possession fit you great now as well?
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I have the Deco Honey and the band is really quite big. Not all the Freya bands are loose however! The Deco soft cup and strapless are pretty firm.
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May 11, 2013 What I mean by "comfort"
I have very high standards for "comfort" in a bra. While some women consider a bra they can stand to wear for 8 hours to be "comfortable", I almost literally live in wires. I am annoyed, to the point of near-righteous indignation, when my bra makes itself known after only 8-10 hours. And this is from a ... girl who wears her bands TIGHT.
I'm fluffy, so I've gotta be able to ratchet the band down to keep it from working it's way into an uncomfortable and aesthetically unpleasing spot on my back. My tight underbust measurement is around 32" which has become my new "normal" band size. As I've journeyed from 38's to 32's, however, my volume hasn't decreased and I've found cup width to be increasingly the source of my discomfort. As my cups get bigger in proportion to my band size, many of them approach too wide/tall on the outside at the front of my arms.
I've got a few Ewa Michalaks (in a ridiculous range of sizes), a too-big-band Fantasie, and a too-small-cup Curvy Kate Tease Me that are round-the-clock comfy. When I select the comfort-level for a bra I'm adding to my list, I always debate with myself about how strictly to adhere to my definition of comfort, knowing that most women have a much different standard.
Also, I wonder if I should try some wire-free bras just for lounging/sleeping since I'm absolutely not comfortable without one.
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Before I declare a bra as "comfortable", I wear it a full day, see what happens if I do push-ups in it, and see if I can sleep in it. Also I've found that some bras I thought were "comfortable" at first were not, compared to later bras I bought. It's just that they were comfortable compared to my previous ill-fitting bras.
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I still haven't found really good comfort in any bra since the 36D Triumph.
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Ladies with wide roots and shallow breasts, I need your help!
Until a few months ago I was wearing a 34B/32C and spending a lot of time hauling at my uncomfortable bras. After a friend finally persuaded me that I wasn't too flat chested for Bravissimo, I emerged with a Cleo Meg in 30DD and a Juna in a 28E ... and started reading up online (which is how I came across Bratabase). I also bought a few more unpadded balconettes in a 30DD.
The more I read, the more I realised that perhaps my new bras didn't fit me as well as they could. The cups generally fitted ok depth-wise, but the wires ended on breast tissue under my armpits and the side wings were too low (I'm only 5'5 but have very low set breasts). I also get quad-boob if I throw my shoulders back.
I measure 29 under bust (28 tight) and 35.5 overbust, so I thought I'd give a couple of 30Es a go. The Cleos I've tried in a 30E (Meg, Melissa, Lucy and Bella) fit beautifully in terms of wire width, but are all too deep in the top of the cup; no matter how much I swoop and scoop, the lace gapes). I don't seem to get on with Freya at all (even padded - both the Lauren and Patsy padded half cup gape even in a 30DD, though the wire width seems ok - the unpadded ones are a complete disaster as others have suggested), and I have the same issues in the Panache Jasmine as the Cleos. Cleo Marcie is a disaster on me in both sizes - wires cut in painfully in the DD, in the E cup the wire goes too far back and flattens me.
I love the pulled-in, up-front shape I get from the unpadded Cleo balconettes, but I'd like to find a bra which doesn't gape in the top section. I know the padded half-cups tend to fit shallow breasts better, but I'm not so keen on wearing them all the time, and the Juna does actually fit me pretty well already.
Can anyone recommend unpadded balconettes or half cups that might be worth me trying? I'll be eternally grateful!
Thanks in advance!
Sarah
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For non-padded half cups at that size there is the Freya Gem Half Cup (1363) and the Bravissimo Paradiso Plume Bra (LN141) (and other Bravissimo non-padded half cups. Simone Perele also has several half cups in a 30E.
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I'm having the same problem as you I think, I just haven't been able to try that many bras on yet. I'll keep an eye on this post myself.
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Measuring in a bra
I am curious about how wearing a bra affects your bust measurement. I was recently asked to provide my bust measurement in a bra, and when I took it with the bra I already had on, I was surprised to see that it was close to 10 cm smaller than my leaning measurement (which I know to be accurate) ... and smaller than my standing and lying measurements as well.
I tried it in several different bras, some which fit me and some which are a cup size or two too small, and all were within 3 cm of the initial bra measurement. So it seems that the measurement is consistent, and possibly could be used for calculations, provided you had a formula which took into consideration the effect of the bra. But would other women whose breasts are different from mine have similar results?
I'm curious about whether I'm getting these kinds of measurements because my tissue is somewhat soft, or if this happens with other women, too. I noted when I did the perimeter measurement lying on my back to the side, I measured a bit larger than the cup depth of many of the bras I fit. Is there a relationship here? I'd be interested in your in bra measurements (both well-fitting and ill-fitting bras) compared to what you consider your most accurate measurement (and what type of measurement that is).
I would like to use the general findings in a blog post although I don't intend to mention any specific measurements without asking.
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I'm not surprised. I don't even bother measuring my bust without a bra on. Standing: nipple level is nearly at my waist, and at bust level there is not much to measure. Leaning: I have no idea how tight the tape should be - should my breast touch or should I leave them with airspace between? On my back: again, how tight? I can only get a "proper" bust measurement with a bra on. And it is quite consistent.
Of course, I only really use my bust measurement to find clothing size, and as I wear clothes over a bra, then that's the only useful measure.
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I am really surprised by your question because I found most calculators do use overbust in a bra. Actually, the most reliable one - Butterfly collection - asks for overbust in your best fitting bra that is not molded or padded.
I have noticed that women here tend to put their naked overbust in the calculator so I have been double checking the calculators if I'm crazy.I've been doing this myself to measure performance of the bra - for instance, in ariza my overbust is 102 while in most other bras I get 104-106. (Natasha, boudoir beau, jasmine, lucy, braologie, ewa michalak) The padded bras give me bigger overbust measurement. It could be the projection but the padding as well.
My bend over measurement is 110, and both lying and standing are 108.
My overbust in a bra puts me in 30HH, standing 30J and bending over 30JJ.
All the suggestions are right depending on a bra, but the least accurate for me is the bend over (well, except in Ewa Michalak where even pl 30K is borderline too small).
This os why I think most will end up with a too big bra if they put their bend over in a brittish system calculator. Bur hey, some women just like wearing bigger bras then they need.As for perimeter, my most accurte one is lying on the back to the side (31.5 and 33). Bend over (36 and 37) for me is always larger then the cup depth needed. I need around 33 cm cup depth.
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Full on top/Full on bottom chart
Found this over on r/abrathatfits and thought it was pretty handy.
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According to that, I'm even. 2-5 :)
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huh, according to that, I would be an even 2/5. interesting.
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Giving the Lucy a second chance
Well, on a whim today I decided to give my pink 28H Lucy a chance again and it's way better than I remember it. It was used before and for the first time ever I had a band ride up my back. I know I shouldn't really be that excited about that, but in the past, bands have always fell down my back when they were too loose.
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Bra construction question(s)
Does anyone know what makes a plunge cleavagey or not? Obviously this will vary some from set to set of boobs, but what is it about cup construction that will make EM fairly reliably cleavagey, while, say, for the most part elomi plunges aren't? (I swear every time I ... read their product descriptions of "plunge without the push-up" I have to remind my annoyed/ incredulous face that some people think that's a good thing.)
With those two specific examples there's obviously wire width at play, but is that what does it, or something else? ( I've been wondering for a while if wide wires are antithetical to projection)
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I think it may depend on how deep the cup is toward the side. If the cup is narrow there, the breasts will be pushed inward.
That's just a guess. I haven't looked at the bra construction.
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Elphabra "I've been wondering for a while if wide wires are antithetical to projection" I would answer: Yes.
This is - again as far as I see it - why Ewa Michalak goes together with side boob. The part of boobs that can be at the front will be projected. The other parts of boobs will be... ohwell just look at the Ewa models and you'll see what I mean.
I guess something like this: you can get projection with wide wires. It will be what is called east west. And for some reason a lot of people has decided that's a wrong kind of projection.
You can see it for example on petalmoon in a 34K Jasmine. http://www.bratabase.com/browse/panache/jasmine-6951/34K/?system=UK Her boobs are very projected. And east and west. Both she and me looks like that naturally :) It used to be truly fashionable and for some reason today are not liked!
When you lean over 90 degrees does your nips face somewhat outwards or totally towards the floor? :) There's the clue as far as I see it :)
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May 08, 2013
Silly bra-fitting experience:
I used to think I was a 34B, but knew it wasn't quite right (went up to 36A and down to 32B or C as well). I have recently determined that I should actually be wearing 28E-F or 30DD-E.
I was in Asia recently, and was hoping perhaps there would be more availability of smaller band sizes. ... I walked into a shop, and the saleslady measured me by draping a tape loosely around my *underbust only*, and declared me a 34B. I told her I know I needed a smaller band, so she said "ok, 32C"
Needless to say, I didn't find anything useful.
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Migration! Turns out it is an actual thing.
I must admit that when I first discovered proper bra fitting in November 2012, I was more than a little skeptical about the idea of tissue migration.
I had spent years in 36-38 B-C molded bras (Maidenform plus-foured me into 36 bands, while VS's nonsensical above-boob measuring system put me into 38 bands), only to find out that my proper ... starting-point size is 32E. No wonder the underwires on my old bras were constantly riding up to nipple level, when the bands were two or three sizes too large! Basically, these bras obscured my nipples but otherwise left my boobs to their own devices, which I was able to endure for so long only because they're shallow and self-supporting.
So, six months in bands that are 32 or tight 34, with cups that are more than mere coverings and actually contain my entire boob, and now my bottom-heavy boobs are filling out the tops of my CK balconettes noticeably better than before (the wrinkling at the top of the cups is 90% gone) and I had to get rid of my Panache Melody balconette because I started quadboobing in it — even though I've lost a bit of weight since I bought these bras. Also, in profile there's a bit of a convex curve to the tops of my breasts now, where before was almost a straight line.
Okay. I'm a believer now.
I don't think I'll be gaining multiple cup sizes, but something is definitely going on here.
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I still don't think it's necessarily migration that's happening. Breasts definitely seem to grow in size when gotten into a properly fitted bra. My guess is that it's not sitting on something that causes breasts to grow (like a gland or something). Reason I say this is because migration would suggest that my root would get narrower or that my breasts would otherwise change shape. And they haven't.
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It doesn't have to change shape if the remigration is even.
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Bra "shopping" in Denmark.
Today I came by a Change, so I figured I'd go in and check out their selection. It seems that 65 bands and up are fairly easy to find. There were a few 60 bands too, but only in small cupsizes. The cups seem to go up to an H cup generally, a few omly to a G cup, though ... several go to an I and J. I didn't find any K cups. Everything above an H cup was unpadded except for 1 bra (in two colours). It was the only one in a 70J. A fair bit of the bras went to a 70I, but started from 75 in J cups. It seems though as from an H cup and above, bands are hard to find in a 70, and I didn't see any smaller bands than 70 with I or J or H cups.
I grabbed some 70I, 70J, and 75J. I usually wear a 70 or 65. The 75 bands were of course much too big and the 70 bands were thin with very low wings. The cups were really shallow and had elastic at the top (big boobs must obviously be covered up and hidden). The wires were super bendy and pretty useless. The 75J was too big all over, and the 70J had a sad shape. It cut in a bit along the edge, but there was not lift, the cups was simply too elastic. The 70I fit similarly. They all seemed bland and looked like granny versions of the cute colourful smaller bras. The cups were also super tall and covered me up till about 10 cm before my collarbones. They use the same fabric, but the shape is just... Urgh...
Several of the padded bras would probably work for me in a bigger size, as they seem much more, well, normal! If I fit a 65 or 70 G or H I think I might be able to find some cute bras. However I find Change bands to run really stretchy and unsupportive and the cups to run small. When I was a 70G I bought lots of cute bras from Change, but I gained weight and grew out of them. Back then, I probably needed a 65H actually.
It's a shame they don't continue their bras until a J or K, but instead change them to granny bras.
I also think its a shame that they don't have larger cups, (the largest is around a UK H or GG?) but I also understand how, because of the EU sizing system, bras in K and L and M seem big and a lot of woman would be put off by an M cup - though it's really just a UK HH or J cup.
But it's a shame really. Maybe if they changed their sizing system to the Uk system, they'd start selling larger cup sizes.
Do you think that the EU sizing system might contribute to woman not wanting to buy the correct size, and to companies not carrying larger sizes?
I also checked out Emma's Lingeri and Liberty Lingeri. Which was just downright laughable. In Emma's they have "every bra size available" - well not. The largest cup I saw was an E actually. I asked if she had a list of the brands that they carry. She said no, "but we do have the most". Hmm. The brands I saw were Triumph, Marie Jo, Aubade, Calvin Klein and a few more. But tithing like Freya, Panache or anything.
In Liberty they seemed to have basically nothing. I've been there once before and they had a much larger selection. I also only found up to an E cup there, except for 2 very sad tent bras in a larger size. They didn't have any British brands either.
Denmark is a sad place to shop! How I wish to open a Lingeri store targeting younger women, or women who likes sexier bras, or cuter bras or more sophisticated bras or who wants proper bras with proper support! With padding and bows and ribbons and colours. Selling cleo, curvy kate, masquerade - brands I suspect a Danish audience would like.
*sigh*
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It's a lot better than the US! I've never seen anything over an E cup in store. . . Except for like 3 bras at Nordstrom Rack. And I've only seen one bra below a 32 band!
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I think a US E is like a EU G.
So it's definitely a lot better.
However, in the US there are at least some retailers where it's possible to try on some British brands once in a while. It may not be close by everyone, but at least there are some real actual shops.
There are just non here :( there was a big department store who had a tiny selection of Freya, but they've stopped selling them.
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Goooooood luck!
Thank you! :D
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