In two days I'm heading for Poland for a bussiness trip. Schedule is tight but hopefully I'll be able to sneak out for some proper bra fitting thanks to mrsfu who found the bra stores addresses I was after
However, I just found out I have a meeting scheduled with polish lingerie manufacturer called Gaia.
This is the first time I heard about them, any insight?
They look like krisline to me o.O
http://www.gaia.com.pl/produkty.html
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Dear Ariza Balconnet Bra, I have done you so much wrong I don't know where to start.
I hated you from the moment I saw you. It is because the one I believed the most when it came to brafitting hated you too. I read her posts and theories on what makes a good fit and shape
(http://brasihate.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-does-panache-have-to-offer-brand.html
... href="http://brasihate.blogspot.com/2012/01/sometimes-panache-drives-me-crazy.html" rel="nofollow">http://brasihate.blogspot.com/2012/01/sometimes-panache-drives-me-crazy.html)
and I believed her blindly, because she was my Bra Yoda, she knew much more then me and I was just learning.
What I failed to realize was
1) that even though our shape is similar, it is also different. No boob is alike, and even on boobs of the same owner a bra can fit differently. Why did I ever think if it fits her it must fit me too?
2) that I might have different preferences than her. Like coverage. I like coverage and boobs of steel feeling. In most of bras I'd rather have a slightly too big bra for migration purposes then a bra slightly too small.
That I don't mid "a lot of bra" and don't rely on looks of the bra to make me feel sexy. That for me support is crucial and everything else is second.
3) that she never actually tried some bras and is judging them by the look of it, so her theories might not be 100% correct.
I am sorry, Ariza, I failed to use my own head. You see, I didn't know any better.
It is only when I saw how greatly you've supported my large busted sisters like BumbleBean and alisa I came to doubt the teachings of my Bra Yoda.
I will always be grateful to her for getting me so far, but now I have to walk my own way.
Thank you Ariza for making me admit
that you are able to provide a nice, uplifted, slightly minimized shape that is ideal for long work days,
that your thin straps are not an issue when you have such a perfect supportive band,
that you are perfectly able to provide that boob of steel feeling I love so much.
I will find you in 32HH and alter the gore, and I will enjoy your striking violet mix color in my too large 32J until then.
Yours truly,
Vee
P.s. Waves to Branarchist and devilangel
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Love it!
<3
And yes, one certainly needs to use ones head in bra fitting. That's why I think the whole idea about bra fitting is much more complicated than "go get fitted". Because if I and the fitter have different preferences then the fitting won't end up very good. Rather it is about help than "fitting" I think. Oh I don't manage to find the right words.
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I recently spotted some Harmony Full Cup Underwire bras super cheap on Ebay. Since I'm getting along very well with Panache bras in general, I was curious how this one will fit me.
I grabbed 30JJ and 30K.
When I got the bras, I was surprised on how tight the band runs. I had no idea. I would actually ... need a 32 band. I can barely close the 30 band and have to wear it with an extender to be able to breathe. Normally I would not complain about a tight band, but this one does not have much stretch so it feels constricting. Stretched to the max the band measures 78-79cm. (my comfy loose inhaled underbust measurement is 82cm)
Now on to the good:
I really love the fabric. It feels smooth, soft and very comfy. The bra feels very supportive & stable.
Gore lies flat and the wires are a tiny bit too wide but not as worse as I feared.
The shape is a bit meh however.
The 30JJ does give me slight quadraboob. The top-edge does not really cut in, the whole top section of the cups do push my boobs flat and push them up & out of the cups.
Then I tried the 30JJ with 2 extenders and took in the center gore: it suddenly fits much better
The 30K is a decent fit, but worn with extender I soon get some empty fabric on bottom of the cups.
I can get away with the volume the bottom section of both Harmonys allows (since the cups run quite shallow) but I need the space of a 30K on top.
See my comparison picture of all full-cups I tried besides Andorra Full Cup:
Bravissimo Linear Rose Bra: much too small, bad bad fit, top of my boobs squished flat.
Bravissimo Fleur Bra: (sized up 1 band and 2 cup sizes) decent fit, but I had to tighten the straps to the max to get a decent shape
Harmony 30K, ok with extender, decent fit of the cups
Harmony 30JJ, top section too small, bottom section would fit me.
Conclusion: full-cups are probably not the best choice for my round, full-on-top boobs. I either have to size up 1-2 cups to get enough space on top or live with quadraboob :/ I won't buy more (Harmony) full-cups but I try to make those I already got a decent fit. It's not like my drawer is overstuffed with well-fitting bras.
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It's very interesting!
Now was the 32J Andorra you got from me too small or just a bad fit? I'm still curious about whether we would fit into the same Andorra size :D
I also wonder what constitutes a fullcup. Because it might be fullcups are what I should wear. Everything pulling the boobs flat are a good thing for me :D
Well it sure beats Bravissimo bras even though it does push the top part of the boob down. I think you should stick to altering Ariza, I think it's your best fitting bra at the moment?
Speaking of which, I put up pictures, not sure if they have been aproved. I think I'm 2 cups down from you at the moment.
And Branarchist I really think you should try ariza, from how it fits me, I'd say andorra was based on ariza! Alisa, am I wrong?
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nr 1: 32J - Panache » Superbra Ariza (5051) , failed, too small cups
nr 2: 32JJ - Panache » Superbra Ariza (5051) , failed, too big in both cups and band (probably mislabelled)
nr 3: grabbed super cheap 34J - Panache » Superbra Ariza (5051) on ebay, had super low expectations
The 34J ended up being ... a weird fit, the gore didn't lie flat, the band felt a tiny bit big & it just didn't feel right all over.
Since it was non returnable anyway, I was not hesistant to do some alternations; first step: taking in the center gore.
It made such a big difference:
http://imageshack.us/a/img687/592/arizaalternation.jpg
The bra feels 100 times more supportive & I don't have the feeling that I have to adjust it all the time, also the center gore does now lie flat.
My boobs were finally as high on chest as they should be and I really like the shape this bra gave me.
34J Ariza under a T-shirt:
http://imageshack.us/a/img825/7802/arizafronttile.jpg
I try now to figure out my size in (other) Arizas and plan to buy more of them. I'm just not sure If I am 32JJ, 32K, 34J or 34JJ. Each color seem to run a bit different than the other.
I gathered some infos (mostly from busenfreundinnen.net & figleaves reviews):
Ariza Teal: upper cup section does run tight / small. The fit was off.
Ariza purple: upper cup section does run tight / small
Ariza violet mix: does run a bit smaller in the cups than the older two colored styles (pre SS 2012)
Ariza Teal/Pink: band does run a bit looser & a bit more generous cups
Ariza pale aqua: a bit more generous in the cups
Ariza black: upper cup section does run tight
tagging: petalmoon cellosubmarine BumbleBean Vee asheand55
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Ooooooh the lift is incredible after the alteration! And the colour is gorgeous as well. Gahh you tempt me.
I'm really not helping here, but I just wanted to say that your boobs look SOOOOO much better after the gore alteration! That really goes to show you how much the gore can affect the fit! Your boobs look so much younger and happier! :D You look great btw with that bra on and that tight top! :) It makes me so happy to see when people get the righ fitt! :D How's the band now? A little too loose?
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Make cups seem to big, the same way too small cups might make the band seem too small? If I "tighten" my 34E - Freya » Nieve Longline (4063) with my hands (pull the band back at the sides) the cups seem normal/a bit too small...
I think my body's changing AGAIN and most of my bras stop fittingHow annoying is that?
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After years of wearing too big bands, yes, I have discovered that too big bands can mask how small the cups are. They can seem fine when the band is too big, but as you said, if you pull the band back you'll see the cups are actually too small (quadboob).
I actually thought the cups were good for me in 70C (32C) in a bra that I have when in fact they were AT LEAST two cup sizes too small! I did know that the band was too big, but I thought the cups were good. They weren't.
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I spotted some Panache Harmony full cups in my size on ebay for 0.99£.
Super bargain, isn't it?
But I read a lot comments about Harmony being very wide wired, but never paid much attention to it, because I never considered to buy it.
Which one is the shallow one with the wide wires? The full cup or the balconette?
Or both of them?
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I tried a Harmony in 30K a few months ago. Wow. The wires were crazy wide! Look at my pictures. The depth was actually good, but there was a ridiculous amount of empty space at the bottom and side of the cup. It was the most odd fit I had ever experienced. The fabric felt heavenly though, so it was a shame it didn't work.
Where??? I want it!! Not in your size but in my size, whatever size that now is :D
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I need a new swimsuit, because my old one -- the most ill-fitting creature ever -- suddenly and without warning decided to disintegrate. Now, I've never had much luck with finding fitting swimwear, not even before pregnancy blessed me with boobs, and I really have no idea where to start now. My 'specs': short upper torso and high-set breasts; fairly ... small 25" waist; super long waist-to-crotch 'rise'; and wide 42" hips. Bra-wise I currently seem most comfortable in a firm 32DD, knicker-wise I wear size 42/14/L (if I got the conversions right), BiuBiu top-wise I'm a perfect 34B/BB. My 'regular' swimsuit issues: leg openings cutting in painfully, the whole bottom section 'riding up' and 'wedging in' uncomfortably, yards of excess fabric around my waist, low-cut backs gapping like madness, boobs being dragged down to my belly button, and mysteriously way too long shoulder straps.
For now I'm looking for a plain and basic, preferably all black swimsuit, although I may consider something more 'whimsical' if I happen to stumble upon something that fits me comfortably. I have had a quick look around locally, but haven't found ANYTHING at all, so I have to order online. How would you wonderful ladies guess brands like Freya, Panache, and Fantasie work for a figure like mine?
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Are you looking for a two-piece or one-piece swimsuit?
Both, actually. I'd prefer a one-piece for 'serious' swimming *cough* and a two piece for more relaxed activities. I'm very interested in tankinis, but somehow I can't imagine those being very suitable for 'real' swimming ... having said that, my only reference is a Fantasie Helsinki in 32D -- absolutely gorgeous, but (obviously?) too small in the cup and very loose around my waist.
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I just went through all my bras and re-measured them. Someone wrote an adventure about how people can measure using varying techniques and that results in very different results.
I´m happy to find out that there are now more detailed instructions for measuring your braOne thing that was not there was however the width ... of cups. It didn´t state if you should measure this starting from the inner sides of wires or outer. I had originally measured from the outer point of wires, and when I now re-measured using the inner ones, the measurements were about 1 cm shorter! So it makes a big difference. I rationalised that it is better to measure from inner point to inner point, because that is the space that the breast will be sitting in. I don´t know why I didn´t think about that initially... Silly me.
Maybe this thing is obvious for many, but it wasn´t for me!!
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You are definitly not alone. I measured wrong in the beginning as well! Something else i don't think most people do is to really measure the fullest part of the cup for the depth, including stretching the elastic at the armhole... It does actually take some slight force to get the full depth on non-moulded bras when the elastic pulls the cup together. I was once given the advice to measure the depth with the cup over the knee to use the knee to really get all of the depth out and it does definitly work. :)
Guilty! I have been measuring the depth wrong. I'll try and remeasure everything...
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ANTM´s 15th season started in Finnish tv last night, and there was one girl who was wearing a bra in "60H". (It didn´t say if it was British, European, or American sizing, but anyway). The judges were like "Wow, that´s a HUGE cup size!! Too big, she cannot be a top model!!"
And then after the shootings they ... were so astonished, "her breasts don´t look too big in this picture at all!!"
I was like OMG... Don´t they know how bra sizing works..? 60H is not that huge... And it seemed that they thought this girl posed in a way that minimized hert bust somehow.
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Geez, why would people in the modelling industry have any knowledge of bra sizing or fitting at all? I mean, all they do is making sure girls look as amazing as possible, you don't need a properly fitting bra for that, do you?
/sarcasm.
Considering that most of the top models need 28 and 30 bands and have official bra sizes like 34C (cough, VS Angels, cough), I am not surprised at all.
I'll need to hunt down that episode on youtube. Help?
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First, and possibly the easiest: what are some great cleavage bras? I've asked here about Freya Deco's sizing, but I'd like to know what else is what there worth checking
Second, on bra fitting, bands and sister sizes.
I was professionally fitted at a store where I live, here in Portugal, where we don't use inches, but ... cms. Here is the table they use for bra sizes: http://damadecopas.pt/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/TabelaCostasCopas.jpg
Now, I find their service really good, except... it's very contraditory with everything I've read online. I measure 83cms underbust, which would place me, according to that table, between a 36 and a 38. HOWEVER, they defend that women should wear smaller bands than that and put me in a 34. Panache 34s are very tight (yet comfortable) on me, so I accepted that. Everyone I know who went to their store was happy and well-fit.
Since they sell bras for too expensive prices, I started buying online and found the whole world of online bra fitting and bra blogs (and eventually, bratabase). All those blogs said to wear the band size one measures in inches; I found that odd, as I'd been placed in a band supposedly 8cms smaller than my body, so I took my mum's measuring tape, which has both cms and inches, and... 83cms is ~32,3 inches, not somewhere between 36 and 38. WHYYYYY do european sizes do this conversion then?! To add confusion to what is already difficult?
Still, I don't think the ladies' method was all that wrong, since, as I said before, Panache 34 bands are tight on me and some don't even stretch much beyond 32 inches, which might make the "+0 rule" not universally right. This, however, might explain the fact I found my 34E Freya bra too loose in the band.
Another note on that table: sister sizes. I have a 100cm bust, which, again, is about 39,4 inches. That places me between sizes, and they told me I could be a 34E/F or, if I wanted a "transition" size that wouldn't be so tight at first, a 36D/DD. According to that table, that seems about right, and I was thinking about the sister sizes being band size down, cup size up, and it actually doesn't make much sense to me. If you're going two inches down, wouldn't the difference between band size and cup size be TWO inches, too?
Just a couple of thoughts I'd like to share/discuss
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Ewa PL are good for cleavage :)
With regards to the cm/inches thing, i think that the cms way of measuring builds in the +4 that used to be normal with British sizing, thus it is not actually as straight a conversion as one might hope for!
I think the band sie also depends a great deal on how squishy or boney the ribcage is; for some people adding inches is simply more comfortable than not :)
Add to that the fact there is no consistency in bra labeling - it's a minefield!
I think sister sizes are done on volume of breast, but i completly agree that bra measuring makes no sense!!!
I have found a style i like in a size that fits and just got lots of them! But then, black is often smaller than it's white counterpart and so on.... grrrrr!
That table is indeed confusing, because it shows the weird discrepancy between UK and EU bra sizing. If you convert your 83cm to inches you do indeed get something close to 32,5". According to the +0 fitting method, for your UK size you just round up or down to the nearest even number which then is your band size, brand and model variations aside. For the corresponding EU size however you have to substract 10cm. The EU sizes indeed seem to have +4 'built in'.
As to the validity of the +0 fitting method: it indeed isn't 'universally right' as you put it (for me for example it doesn't work at all), but for many it seems to produce a useable starting point, MORE useable than the 'old' +4 fitting method anyway.
Now, if someone could explain me what is the 'logic' behind the French system, it would totally make my day ;)
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I want to buy a Freya Deco due to the great cleavage it's rumoured to give and because, well, I don't really own a plain t-shirt bra. However, from the reviews I've read, I'm confused as to what size to get! I've posted here before on finding Freya's bands too loose, but reviews seem to say they're looser than usual? ... And I've also read they run big in the cup, too. I'm a 34E/F in Panache and Cleo, but the 32F/FF in Freya Deco seems to have small cup depth when compared to those? I don't have any means to try it on before I buy it, as Freya isn't sold where I live, so any help would be much appreciated!
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I'd probably suggest you go for your smaller cup size in a deco, I'm sort of 28F/FF and the deco in a 28F fits perfectly, and it seems to be the general consensus that it runs a bit big in the cup.
The band on a 28 isn't hugely bigger than normal, but if you're between band sizes you might want to go for the smaller size.
Sorry I can't be more help.
A "general" Deco rule is: One band smaller and maybe one cup smaller.
I usually wear a 30DD/E (it depends on the company), so in the Deco I'd try a 28DD.
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I don't really have physical stores where I live, so I have to rely on ordering from ASOS/Ebay/etc, which makes me a bit new at this, as I have to send a lot of bras back.
I have had great experiences with Panache, Panache Cleo, and Gossard, but... when I bought one Freya (a beautiful longline), I found the band was ... loose/not as snug compared to these other brands (all of them 34 bands). I didn't find it loose enough as to be unwearable, but definitely looser than what I find the most comfortable. Does anyone find the same? If I am ever to order Freya, do you recon I should size down on the band, or is it a problem with the longlines?
That incident put me a bit off of trying Freya again, as I have to go through the hassle of sending things back, or trying new brands other than those with which I had success. This includes Fantasie and Curvy Kate. Could any of you ladies please tell me how these brands compare, band-wise?
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Yes, Freya bands run loose. Fantasie on me runs one size tight in the band and a size small in the cup. So my normal 34F in fantasie needs to be a 36F ... I think. Like you, I've stuck to a few brands I know. Chantelle, Panache (my fav) & Freya. Curvy Kate fits me like panache in the soft cup styles. Showgirl line is a different story - need to up the cup size by at least one & the bands are stretchy (not as bad as Freya though). HTH
Yes, you are exactly right! Freya does run loose in the band. I am a 30GG in Panache balconette styles (30HH in full cup), and in Freya I can wear a 28H. Not all styles come in 28 bands, so I often settle for the 30 and just wear it on the tightest hook. If it really bothers you, just take it to a seamstress and have her alter it. In Curvy Kate I find the bands run loose on some styles, like the Showgirl series, but not in others like in the Romance line. I find their cups run true to size, as I am a 30H, which is what the bra calculators have me at. I ordered a tankini in 28HH, so let's see how this fits; it will arrive soon! I do think Panache's balconette cups run small, though.
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I´m again wondering...
It seems that every single bra I buy, at first it seems to fit fine and after a few days / weeks or so I notice something odd about the fit. It´s frustrating.
Now I have the opposite situation with Panache sport bra 28FF. When I first tried it on, there was kinda wrinkling at the top of ... cups. So I marked that bra as "not fitting" to Bratabase. Well, now that I have been wearing that bra, there is no more that wrinkling. It can be due to 2 reasons, I think. Either my boobs are swollen due to PMS, or my boobs have got back the migrated tissue.
The question is, should I change the status of the bra to "fits" if it really fits me from now on? Or should I leave the initial fitting information I first filled in? It´s been a few weeks since I got the bra, I think. Not a very long time, I have had time to use the bra a few times.
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I usually set fit only after couple of days of wear. Bras need adjusting period and in my size also some "breaking in", just like brand new shoes. This is why women edit and update their reviews after a while and I think it's great to hear how a bra behaves with some wear. I do think you should correct the fitting status and edit your reviews. I also think you should reamesure first, maybe the reason that one fits you is seen in cm, so you may have to enter whole new set of measurements and then adjust the fit :)
^Okay!
It is a good advice to wear the bra a few times before filling in the fitting information and I surely will do that from now on.
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I have a slight problem now. I have my left boob bigger than the right one. This is very comical because not long ago I commented one fitting help-request and didn´t realise this is a common problem. And that I have it as well!Oh dear.
The problem: How do I rank my bras here, wether ... they fit or not? Do I judge them on the basis of left=bigger boob or right=smaller one?
The size difference is not big and that explains why I didn´t even remember this thing. During all those years in ill-fitting bras it really wasn´t something I´d notice. Personally I think I prefer to match the bras to my smaller boob, because the spillage is not so much. If I matched to my bigger boob then there would be gapping in the smaller one and I wouldn´t like that. There aren´t any pockets for filling in my bras either...
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All women have one breast larger than the other. I, personally and I know most women as well, would fit the larger breast. It's usually a cup size of a difference and fitting the smaller one can be uncomfortable or bothersome. If the spillage that is created by filling the smaller one isn't that large and you aren't constantly putting it back in its cup, then do what you prefer. But if it's a constant bother and you're needing to adjust the larger breast multiple times a day, then I suggest fitting that breast. The difference between cup sizes isn't large and there might only be a minimal gaping in the smaller cup. Again, it's all up to preference.
Thanks for comment. I realise it´s up to me which system I prefer but do you know if there is any guideline for Bratabase? If I add a bra and say it fits me, and it really fits just the smaller boob, is that okay? Or should I mark only those bras which are good for the bigger boob, "fits"?
Is it up to me as well? No "rules" about that one? :)
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This is a bit of a stupid question, coming from someone who has owned a PL Onyks for a couple of months, having posted a fitting help request about it, and thinking she got it all figured out, but here goes:
So, I have a PL Onyks and although I love the feel, shape and support this bra gives, I'm just ... not entirely happy about it. Because I don't think it fits me that well (I also think I'm just not really the 'plunge-y' type, but that is another question). The cup edges gap like crazy yet I simultaneously seem to spill towards the centre. I also get quite some diagonal 'pulling' wrinkling from the bottom front of the cups up and out towards the apex of the cup. "PL is just not my cup of tea", I told myself: my breasts are too 'soft' for the low centre gore and the cups come up too high on my very short upper torso.
Then I saw the blog posts by Windiegardie who reviewed the PL Onyks twice (and several other PL's as well) and comparing her notes I noticed something: the cups on her PL Onyks cover much more of her chest than the cups on my PL Onyks. Then, yesterday, it was I think, someone mentioned that the straps on PL should be tightened a lot to make the cups sit nice and flush. Now, I've been wearing my PL Onyks with the comfort straps at their tightest, because I found the regular straps also included in the package way too uncomfortable (really, they simply cut into my skin -- anyone else has that problem?). The comfort straps are only partly adjustable, but I THOUGHT they were tight enough. This misconception is probably a relic of my years of wearing 32 bands: the only thing I could do to not having those ride up like crazy was have the straps as loose as possible (which meant straps often just falling off my shoulders and cups that offered nigh to no support, let alone shape). Anyway, I now realise they probably weren't even close to tight enough: I finally managed to sew up another pair of detachable straps (scavenged from my poor 65E HM Gold that was too large for me) and tried the PL Onyks on again with, what I now assume, 'properly' tightened straps and the difference is, well, striking: instead of gently spilling towards the centre, I'm now outright quadboobing (my breasts are also slightly full at the moment, but still). All the way up near the straps the cups are STILL not entirely flush against my body, but otherwise they seem to stay put much better.
When I posted my fitting help request someone already mentioned that instead of too large, the cups of the 65E looked too small on me. I brushed that aside because at the time I was very new to the game and all I could see was major gapping. Gapping = excess space, right?Plus, 'big' breasts (as in > AA/A cup) are still not exactly part of my body image, so yeah, disbelieve might have also factored into my reaction, blissfully ignoring the fact that I've often seen it mentioned that people have to size up in PL ...
Anyway, I'm a bit curious now as to whether I was just totally wrong in my assessment of the PL's suitability for my shape and if I should perhaps give it another chance ... ? The wires in the 65E are only barely wide enough, possibly slightly too narrow even, and don't come up very high -- I can easily do with wider and longer wires. So, what should I try next? 65F? I'm about to send a CHP on its return journey, so I can just as well exchange it for something else ...
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Post pictures of how it fits with straps tightened? It certainly sounds like the signs I have in a too small bra.
My breasts ARE a bit swollen at the moment, but boy does this thing suddenly look way too small on me -- I mean, really, like 'tacky centrefold' kind of too small ... !
So, shoulder straps ... right. How come I don't know how to tighten shoulder straps?! *rolls eyes*
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Yesterday, I received the Ewa Michalak CHP Ametyst I ordered on a whim just before the weekend. I was already a bit sceptical but still felt mightily disappointed when I found my suspicions confirmed: this beautiful style just really doesn't work for me. Like, AT ALL. CHP is supposed to be a blend of CH (which I love) and HP ... (which I haven't tried), both half-cups though with slightly different properties. Why, then, does it fit on me almost like PL, a plunge?! With all the fitting issues attached to that style and then some: seriously gapping cup edges, my soft breasts spilling towards the centre due to a (too) low centre gore, and cups that simply come up too high for my ridiculously short upper body and high set breasts. It seems to have a bit less projection than PL -- which, I think, actually makes it fit decidedly worse on me than PL as the shallower, higher cups tend to slip down at the bottom and gap more at the top -- but apart from that, on me, CHP is just an ill-fitting PL in disguise and nowhere near a worthwhile alternative for CH. Bummer.
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Oh so sorry to her it didn't work :( I know the feeling, and it's even worse when you get super excited about something. From what Ive heard, it isn't entirely impossible that tgey have sent you a plunge. take some poctures and send them, ask them if they are sure that that's a chp. Will you be giving hp a shot?
What Vlatka said. EM seems to be having problems when it comes to label their products. HP Koktaijl on their site is a CHP for example. Had it not been for Curvy Wordy I wouldn't have known.
Put up pictures and we'll judge if they did something wrong?
I didn't have a printer when I sent my returns to EM and I also didn't have proof of postage so I guess I will never have my money back from them.
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I´m a little puzzled now.
I got a Cleo Lucy bra in 30E recently. The band was too big and the cups were maybe the right size (and shape!!) or just a hint too small. If too small, definitely not much, very much wearable
I tried to look Bratabase´s measurements and suggestions and that´s where I got ... a little confused.
If we assume that 30E cups were okay and band too big, I would have to go for 28F, right? Sometimes it is even said that you should add 2 cup sizes, so is it 28FF that´s sister size to 30E? Or is it 28F here?
When checking out 28F Lucy in Bratabase´s listings it says that cups will be too big for me!!! Could this be because of some measuring errors in here? If 30E cups are good (or very slightly too small), then 28F cannot have cups too big for me, can it?? Bratabase says that 28E "might fit", but really, it must be too small in the cups...
What do you suggest would be the right sister size to 30E in this bra model, with tighter band?
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i think that the measurement suggestions on here should be taken with a pinch of salt. It doesn't seem all that accurate to me so far.
I don't think that the 28F cups will be too big for you, i think that logically the 28F is the size for you! However, if the 30E is a touch small the FF might be better, although i suspect that the fit will feel different with the correct band.
My advice: Go for the 28F and don't listen too much to the bratabase suggested correct fit! :)
Thanks for the advice, cbear :)
Do you have specific knowledge / experience of Cleo Lucy, that 28F really is the sister size to 30E? If it doesn´t work like that in all bras...
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I received yesterday my first Ewa Mchalak bra, CHP Stalówka in DD65 and it was amazing!!! Might well be the best bra I´ve ever had! It fitted perfectly
Now I surely want to order more bras, but how do I know if the same size DD65 fits me concerning their other bras? I´ve been googling it and done some research but really found no answer to my question. Anybody?
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chp's run large in the cup - one size up for your pl's and ch's. not sure about hp's.
The cup sizes mostly are pretty consistent in a certain cut - however, there have been different reports about ewa's bands.
I think you will find enough info on her bands here on bratabase. What bras are you interested in?
Thanks for answering!
So this is what I have:
http://www.ewa-michalak.pl/product-eng-307-CHP-Stalowka.html
I guess I´m interested in everything, but especially these:
- CHP Milady
- HM gold
- HP Koktajl
- ATRAMENT (is this PL or CH or what..? didn+ t say on the site)
- PL Onyks
Would all CHP bras be similar to their shape / cut? If one CHP bra fits, can I expect all CHP´s to bee good in shape for me?
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... yes, another Ewa Michalak order has arrived!
First of all, I've fallen in love. With my breasts. They're perfect -- as long as they're in an Ewa Michalak bra
Anyway, so far the good stuff. The not-so-good stuff is that the band on this thing is really tight. I mean REALLY REALLY tight. The band on the 65E I tried before clearly was too loose and also in other ways it was not as good a fit, but this otherwise perfect 60F I can barely close, especially if I also want to continue breathing. Luckily I had the foresight to include a bra band extender in my order, but seriously, what's up with the sizing of these things?!
Or am I just between sizes and is my bony, unpadded, no-margin-for-error ribcage making things unusually difficult?
Oh well. It doesn't really matter as this 60F fits PERFECTLY with the extender, but it's still a bit odd that the difference in band size is THAT enormous (I haven't measured it yet, but I'm curious to see the numbers). Whatever the reason behind this (seeming?) inconsistency, it won't stop me from ordering from Ewa Michalak again -- I don't really think anything can stop me from doing that as these bras are simply too phenomenal
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How did you find the cup sizing differed between the Gold, the PL, and the CH? I have a PL, I have a CH on the way, and I really want the HM Gold next, so I'm trying to figure out the sizing.
Also- how flat is the embroidery on the Gold? Does it show through tops?
I wrote quite extensive reviews on all these bras and also wrote a comparison review on all three, but here's a quick summary:
I ordered all three of them in 65E. For comparison: I currently wear a 28F in Panache Andorra. The HM Gold clearly ran the largest in the cups -- I'd say about a full cup size larger than the PL Onyks, which was closest to my Panache Andorra size. The CH Onyx ran the smallest -- about half a cup size smaller than the PL Onyks.
As to the bands: I found the PL Onyks the tightest -- quite as tight as I find comfortable for my 27"/69cm underbust. I have virtually no padding on my ribcage and I really wouldn't want it any tighter. The HM Gold was only slightly looser -- more comfortable for me, but I CAN close it relatively easily at the tightest hook (I usually wear it at the loosest hook though, as it stays put just fine that way). The CH Onyx ran by far the loosest -- really too loose for me -- hence my reordering it in 60F.
The embroidery on the HM Gold is very flat. I don't find it shows under my tops, but if one wears really really thin, skin-tight jerseys it might, of course, be different.
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http://www.herroom.com/fantasie-fl2651-tina-underwire-balcony-bra.shtml
soooo... if you ignore the photoshoped version and look at the last picture of the herroom model - it kind of looks like the almighty cleo cut? Could it be? A cleo cut with 3 hooks in larger sizes? What are your experiences with fantasie bras? I have yet to try one.
http://www.herroom.com/fantasie-fl2651-tina-underwire-balcony-bra.shtml
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That 3-part-cup (known as a TypeH-cut) is pretty universal across a lot of bras and brands, it doesn't mean anything.
If you want the Cleo cut in another design, take a look at the bras by BouxAvenue, especially those available up to an H-cup.
I know this, but somehow only cleo fullbands deliver the shape I look for. At least from the brands I've tried. boux looks lovely, how's their sizing compared to cleo? Cause I go for hh/j in cleo
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@Vee - Gaia isn't very popular in Polish bra community (Effuniak and Comaxim are the favourites) but I would try - line for bigger bust is called Linea Maxima.
Gaia is much cheaper then Krisline so the quality will be worse, and the smallest band is 70 so it could be too big for you. Anyway I would try:)
If I can I will, I have a business meeting with them, they are presented to us as a larges polish manufacturer of exclusive lingerie o.O
I was really surprised I never heard of them, but they seem to export a lot of their products.
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