Bra adventure! I think I am buying too many bras. I have like four I need to sell. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.
I have found some that fit amazingly well: Panache Andorra, Freya Patsy Half Cup, Cleo Juna -- and some that fit reasonably well: Freya Deco, Fauve Annalise, Curvy Kate Angel.
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This is @N by Natori strapless bra with straps, goes to H cup and 1/8 thick cup. I'm very excited to try this strapless. The only other strapless available that goes to G is @Wacoal Red Carpet. I don't like the fabric or the shape of this strapless.
N by Natori
http://www.herroom.com/n-by-natori-1374110-solution-shaper-strapless-bandeau-...
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I have been thinking about this a lot. Since I've come closer and closer to the K-cup barrier, I was also considering sister size up in bras to get more options. Sadly I came to the conclusion that sizing up does not work in most cases or just cause other fit issues. Then if the cups are suddenly too deep, ... the bra starts lacking support. I already had this issues with Bravissimo balconettes that I tried 7-8 months ago, but I couldn't solve the mystery until now.
I will analyze the fit issues of several bras of mine. Side pics of them:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9377318782/
36J - Cleo » Marcie (6831) :
I tried 3 sizes of it and none fitted me correctly. The fit issues were rather similar in all 3 bras but got worse the more I sized up.
The last one I tried was a 36J (in which I sister sized up to get a cup volume of a 32K) and it didn't worked out: it gave me a good shape, but that's the only positive thing I can say. Overall the bra (band and wires) did almost nothing for my boobs and most weight was on the straps! I felt no support from the center gore, straps are too separated and the wires on the side did also nothing to me (because they are too low):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9300763522/in/set-72157634666270000
Also there is some slight “gaping” on top!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9309250354/in/set-72157634666270000
An issue I hadn't seen since ages, since I'm used to have every bra cut in on top!
After a while of thinking I solved the mystery why 36J didn't worked for me: too deep cups! Marcie has tons of cup depth actually and tons of room on top.
If one sizes up too much, the bra will give no support because boobs just hang in there in their "natural" shape. No compression or shaping of boobs happens anymore. Boobs project like crazy. The narrow band cannot hold the weight. So all weight is on the straps and they have razor sharp edges that cut into the flesh.
34JJ - Elomi » Caitlyn Underwire Side Support (8030) :
This bra is quite comfy although there are tons of fit issues.
The wires are super wide and extended to my back and the gore floats. Those wires are super weak and distort like crazy:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9272315722/in/set-72157634614085984
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Caitlyn was known to be the one with the most stable wires out of Elomi bras...
It's commonly said that wires distort, when a band is too tight.The 34 band of Caitlyn is not too tight on me. Neither is the 36 band of the Marcie. So can wire distortion only be caused by a too tight band? I don't think so.
Bravissimo Balconettes:
Last winter when I was a 30J in Panache / Cleo, I bought my first Bravissimo bras and was quite impressed by their stable construction. Warned by reviews that they run small and that they tend to have super tight top sections, I sized up 1-3 cups in the bras I tried.
I got a good fit (so I thought then) and wore Alana in 30K and Boudoir Beau 30JJ.
Several problems did show up later (of course only then when I already removes tags and decided to keep the bras – because bras are just evil like that) , pointy shape, bands gave not enough support, wires distorted, top edges still cut in, too much weight on straps, breast tissue escaped on the side.
At that time I got a 30JJ Tango and it fitted me quite well. Tangos wires were compared to a Beau much higher and did not distort:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9358172996/in/set-72157634777304190
I tried more Bravissimo bras in even bigger cup sizes and got super weird results until I finally gave up on them:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96373516@N07/9355383919/in/set-72157634777304190/
Now I think I finally solved the mystery why they didn't work on me: too much cup depth where I don't needed it!
A 30K Alana had too much cup depth which caused the wires to distort. 32K Fleur wasn't much better and only gave a decent shape when straps were tightened to the max, which gave me immediate neck pain.
I might would wear a 32L or 34KK these days in Bravissimo but I don't think these bras would fit me at all. Bravissimo bras are just not made for my full on top – center heavy boobs.
There are only 2 options with them: get your usual size and quadboob or size up like madness and get above described issues with them.
Did you experience similar issues? Does sizing up in band to get the cup volume you need work for you?
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Yup, same for me, and it's a new way of describing "reversed letterphobia" as sizing up in something one is incompatible with instead of sizing up because the band is too tight. And I actually think this reason is more common than being in too tight bands. I've realized I will more or less always be in between sizes and from now on I tend to go with the smaller one.
I want to ping @George on this adventure because I think it fills out the gap between German bra fitting and say http://sizemapp.com (which is now the number one calculator in Bratabase bra fitting) because the differences isn't that big in the end. And what it comes down to is finding out the shape of the bra most compatible with ones boobs? Because if we have a lot of fit issues it isn't that easy to find a good bra.
I think it's so easy to get lost into bra fitting by seeing the same fit issue everywhere when it is so much more diverse and individual.
I also like to ping @t_maia and @denocte since I know you're also active busenfreundinnen :) Oh and @Vee since sizemapp is her calculator.
On me band size plays a very little role in the slanting wires ordeal and on say @Jillsas it seems to play a bigger? :)
Also ping @rawrrawr here when I'm at it.
This suddenly makes sense! While I haven't actually managed to do what you've done and put on cups which are deeper than my breast perimeter, it does explain a lot of fit issues I've been having.
The depth of the cups is distributed in the wrong way for frame/bust shape, so we end up taking bigger and bigger sizes to not have bras cut in at the top, and in this process, the wires get wider and wider, so weird things start to happen. This probably also explains why I've been wanting really tight bands, to counteract the weird forces that the bra experiences.
I just feel like bras haven't really been designed for J+ breasts at all, so while we can have lifting boob covers, the actual forces that the bras and our bodies experience aren't quite right.
I feel like there's a need for incredibly strong wires which don't distort too much, as even in apparently super tough bras like Panache, I still get wrapping around my body which ruins the shape of the cups.
Still, when it comes to the choice of having the 'right' size, and having the bra cut in because angling it up on my shoulders closes off the cups or having the 'wrong' size which is too large and not having quadboob, I'd lean to the 'wrong' size every time. I'm not sure if that's right any more. It seems be taking a massive toll on my frame. I can't wear a bra these days for more than about 30 minutes without breaking skin. Am I better off to put up with the bra cutting in? Will that fix some of the issues I'm experiencing with forces on my body creating pressure sores? I don't really know. Bra fit seems to be unnecessarily stressful for me at present.
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I hate all but two of my bras and I have to wear both of those with extenders. Gah.
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I have to use bra extenders with a few of my bras also. I know how you feel.
Yeah. Until I get a sizeable number of versatile bras, I'm going to wear the rest of them incorrectly (by overscooping).
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Oh, what have I done! I just ordered a new Freya Deco in 30GG without trying it on. I got a great deal from amazon ($45!) and I checked all the measurements, it SHOULD fit me! I desperately need a good t-shirt bra. By finding one bra that does fit me (30G) and measuring it, I was able to settle on a beautiful 30GG nude Freya Deco Plunge T-Shirt bra. I can't wait until it arrives!
$45 Deco
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RVF3PM/r
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Just wanted to share a fantasic post regarding Ewa Michalak
http://thecurveshaveit.blogspot.com/2013/07/ewa-michalak-beginning.html
http://thecurveshaveit.blogspot.com/2013/07/ewa-michalak-part-2.html
http://thecurveshaveit.blogspot.com/
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*Sigh*
The info in that blog post was great, but I have to admit I was royally annoyed by the blogger's inability to distinguish between WIDE straps and WIDESET straps.
(I think my inner grammar nazi is showing.)
drownedsalad
I am said blogger. I hear your cry and I will correct the problem!
You are right. EM has Wideset straps. But not wide straps.
Thanks for pointing that out!
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I bought the @Chantelle Pure Full Coverage T shirt convertible bra in 34G, it does not go to H cup. It was on sale at 27 dollars and at @FreshPair- no shipping. I like the convertible part , the cups are different, really gentle hand washing and air drying. I'm deciding about the brand. The 34 is snug on ... the loose setting, , I measured and I really need an H but it works. Then I compared my Wacoal 34G T shirt bra with this bra, and @Chantelle cup is two inches larger. I want to try on more @Chantelle in this band size and in 36 and also other bras and see how @ Chantelle runs in fit.
On the @Natori front.... N by Natori has a strapless with straps that goes to H cup with 1/8 lining in the cup. I'm excited I can't wait to try that strapless !
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I have a Chantelle Rive Guache in 36DD that I wear with a bra extender and the cups seem similar to the cups on my Wacoal Alluring in 40D.
36DD isn't even a sister size of 40D. 36DD is smaller. So I think I know what your talking about when you said Chantelle cups are bigger.
The Chantelle is the same band size and supposed to be the same cup size, but the cup measures two inches larger. Interesting. This is my first Chantelle I got on sale, a great sale price and its convertible which I really like. Now I want to try other Chantelle in 32,34,36 and cup sizes to see how the other cup sizes fit. If the 32 fits better in the H cup, with the sizing, I will go with that.
So I stumbled across a series called "How to Look Good Naked" and the women was incredibly self conscious about her breasts. First I question the legitimacy of the show, it looked a lot like poor acting. Secondly the bra she walked in with was the worst fitting bra I've ever seen, she must've been wearing a 38DD. It was ... awful the gore didn't tack, her boobs fell out the bottom, the band rode up to her shoulders. Then they brought her to Intimacy, while I have never been to an Intimacy I have some serious doubts about their fitting technique. She was fitted into bras that were about 1-2 band sizes too large and 2 cups too small. BRAVISSIMO PLEASE COME TO AMERICA
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I've been to Intimacy. They don't have a fitting method, or at least the one I went to didn't. They looked at me, declared me a 32H and put me in all the styles in that size they could('which wasn't very many because it's such a huge and uncommon size'.) At that time I was a 28J when I finally got myself fitted as I refused to buy from there because none of the bras felt comfortable, looked nice or made me feel good. They didn't even enforce the swoop and scoop method!
My Intimacy experience was pretty bad. I went in when I should have been wearing 32GG/H or 30H/HH and the girl sized me at 32FF/G. I was relatively inexperienced with bra-fitting, but I could even tell the bras she had me trying on were way too small in the cup. The cheapest thing they had was over $60 and I new that style could be found for around $20 online.
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I've actually thought about this before, but today I decided to share it with everyone here. I generally avoid racerback sports bras because I find them troublesome to pull over my head. Shock Absorber did something interesting because they added another fastening to the back, but a lot of people have a hard time fastening the top closure. ... My question is, why haven't they been created with front or side closures? That makes more sense to me as that's the easiest place for our arms to reach. Enell has a front closure, but as far as I'm aware it's not adjustable. We could even have two sets of closures, one to adjust the tightness (the back closure), and one to fasten the bra (front or side). Maybe there's something I'm missing, but this seems like such a good idea.
Edit: I know that they do exist with front closures, but most of them seem to come in a limited size range and are for lower impact activity.
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You're voicing exactly what I have been thinking myself: two closures -- one for adjusting the size and an 'easy access' one in the front for easy dressing! It can't be THAT hard to design something like that, can it?
I thought this was interesting. I've never had abuse but maybe the odd older man or woman glance at my chest as they walk past me. My boobs aren't full on top and perky but on the soft side, so I tend to wear a lot of t-shirts that cover my cleavage. Has anyone had strangers in ... the street do anything weird? Sometimes I think I don't mind people glancing at me cause it's a natural human thing to do but not knowing what they're thinking is uncomfortable cause I instantly just think that they're thinking something negative like OMG .
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4212810/My-natural-32K-boobs-are-a-nightmare.html
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Apparently one can glance at breasts or cleavage for three seconds without being inappropriate.
I have had men trip or walk into walls, get pinched by their wives, the usual 'are they real' comments and girls calling me a slag. Most just look.
I wear a modest 55G. I can easily shop off the rack and while my clothes are fitted, I don't usually show cleavage.
Lol at 3 seconds . Thanks for replying
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After trying out/ breaking in/ getting used to bras in a better size for just three months I've started to see some changes in my boobs. When I press them backwards they used to extend into infinity, or so it would seem. Now there is a definite end to them under my armpits, even though I'm still waiting for a ... clear crease. This was somewhat expected. (I've been wearing 80C and so far I'm at 32FF which is almost double in volume.)
It's more surprising to see my larger breast sort of bend outward. I'm close-set (like my mum) and both my nipples have been pointing forward and slightly down. But lately one of them has started to point to the side and more up instead.
I just thought the internet needed to know. No, but I'm really surprised by this. I wonder if this means that I will get a more separated chest eventually. That would certainly make it a lot easier to find bras! Has anyone else seen unexpected changes from wearing better bras?
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Ya for me very shortly after I started wearing bras with wider cups my nipples started pointing less down and out and now they are fairly close to pointing straight out.
I haven't found a definite crease but I also haven't found anything close to perfect yet. I am definitely able to fill out cups with larger volumes though. I don't think that is new I just don't think I ever tried before.
My nip to neck shortened by 2,5 cm 6 months afzer getting my propper bra so make sure to remeasure :)
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As simple as that, I last did today, and before that it was 4 months ago. My boobs have grown =/ I don't like that. (Why? Because I've put on a little weight...)
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I take them sort of on an as-needs basis. If I feel like my bras are fitting differently, I'll measure again. Or if I specifically want fit help with a new bra I've got or something.
For me, I've never known my boobs to get smaller. They haven't figured that bit out yet. :/
Everytime I notice that my current bras don't fit right and that this has been a problem for a week or two (to rule out hormonal changes) I measure.
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Needless to say this is an utterly bizar assumption as the bras she wears function more like boob hammocks than anything else. The gore is so far from tacking that it simply floats like a decorative element on the front of her mashed together breasts. The only reason not all her bands are up in her neck (some are, though) ... is that the cups are so ridiculously small that the whole contraption is pulled more or less taut enough to stay in place. For some reason she only quadboobs (massively) when she bends over, so I assume that she wears her straps at the loosest possible setting. For what it's worth, they seem to slip from her shoulders at regular intervals.
An 80/36C -- I've actually seen some 85/40Bs on her laundry line as well, o.O -- would put her only one cup size up from me and my '65E' (30DD). Again, this is outright bizar. She's AT LEAST four -- but possibly more like six -- cup sizes up from me and maybe though at most two bandsizes, which would put her somewhere around 34FF-34GG (she has quite a muscular back). Sure, menopause has stacked her midsection somewhat, but there is no way in this world she would need an 80/36, let alone an 85/40 band! Of course, it doesn't help that she also thinks she was a 75/34B her entire life before menopause hit and that she only buys her bras from a budget chain store with a ridiculously limited size range.
She has always had quite ideal RTW EU size 36 proportions (her only 'deviation' was her somewhat short back), and now she wears a EU size 38 across the board, with a slightly thicker waist (she doesn't seem to realise, though, that most of her fitted tops and jackets are terribly strained across her chest ... ). Her body shape has always been somewhat different from mine -- I have always had a decidedly smaller waist, much wider hips and shoulders, and much smaller breasts -- and her breast shape is almost the complete opposite of mine: my mother has a typical bottom-heavy 'tear drop' shape breast with perky nipples and a clearly defined root completely on the front of her chest. Although these differences make it difficult for me to estimate what she would need, I'm sure she needs (relatively) much narrower and much deeper cups than I do, which makes me think she'd probably be a good candidate for Fantasie and the likes. Of course, she would probably consider these bras not trendy and youthful enough (she still dresses much more 'fashion-conscious' and youthful than I do and buys new clothes practically every week, only 'on sale', of course ... ).
... I truly wish I could bring up the issue as it almost hurts to look at her (she's NOT particularly shy of showing cleavage), but I'm afraid it would only result in a terrible row, as she has severe body shape and image issues and always had. Seriously, I can't remember a time she WASN'T on some kind of experimental diet and maniacal exercise routine, which has landed me with severe issues myself, as she always was thin, trim, and 'perfectly' proportioned, and I, with my 'big butt' and 'teeny tiny breasts', obviously wasn't. Also, EVERYTHING between us has the potential to blow up massively and it's only my constant 'walking on eggs' that has kept us in any kind of 'close' contact. I really really love my mother, but she can unfortunately be terribly immature, short-fused, and self-centered, which leaves me with a rather dire dilemma
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You are a fellow Finn, so if you come up with an idea, how to speak about it, please let me know!!!!
I have the same issue with my mom :(
I think she wears 80B or so... (maybe 75B?) Those horrible non-wired beige triangle-cup bras which not only don´t support in any way, but drag the breasts down!! I wear 28F / 28FF, and I think our boobs are about the same size.
I don´t want to start lecturing about it, I think it would get us nowhere. I also cannot decide if it would be better leave her be. It might be she isn´t that interested and I honestly don´t know if it would be easier for her not to know how bras were supposed to fit.
I dunno... :(
I'm actually Dutch, but my husband is Finnish and we live in Finland :)
My mother is very fashion-conscious, also when it comes to her underwear -- I swear she has a colourful matching set for every single one of her outfits -- almost to the point of obsession, but that may actually be one of the problems. I think she all to readily sacrifices fit over 'style'. Well, that, and the fact that she seems genuinely clueless about how things 'should' fit and that cups over B are NOT necessarily huge *rolls eyes*
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Hi there,
I'm a first time poster here, but have learned so much in the three months I've been a reader here. I live outside the u.s. and based on recommendations/reviews/advice I've amassed a treasury of bras to try on, during my short visit. (I'm in California now).I've had some stunning successes, Anita sportsbra, and of ... course miserable failures. I will be sharing successes in detail my successes at a later date.
Many of the bras I purchased were second hand, from here, or ebay deals I thought were worth the gamble. I would really like to see the bras, probably about 8, go to the right people.
I think I'm about a 34=36 h or hh (british sizing). But as you all know brands vary so much.
So anyone up for receiving a pack of bras around that size? All I'll ask that you measure them, do reviews, photographs, (to strengthen bratabase) and pass along those that don't fit you to someone worthy.
Yup free bras.
Let me know if I've got a taker, or if you know of a worthy recipient.
Would have loved this opportunity twenty years ago.
Pay it forward , bra style.
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You could offer them on this subreddit, or see if anyone has requested the sizes you have :)
http://www.reddit.com/r/RandomActsOfBras/
What a great site! Thanks
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I just received a panache Fern and the straps seem great for a narrow shouldered girl
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I'll have to try that bra. I have issues with straps falling off too.
Hi friends, can anyone tell me if they like their Panache Harmony bra if they have oneIs Harmony similar to Panache Tango when ordering online is your only option xo
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I'd like to know this too ... I just ordered one :)
Nice Mireth :-) I ordered one full cup and one balconette too last tuesday . I'm in Australia and UK mail usually takes 2 weeks to get here for me. If you get yours first I would love to know !
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Just a general Comexim thing. I'm working on narrowing down my size. I just received a 60L that was loose in the band and seemed to fit great in the cups. But after wearing for a day it's just not right. The cup volume seems to be OK, but a tight shirt pulls everything forward and creates a weird gap ... in the font by the gore.
So far I've tried a regular style (this one, the blue plaid) and one with a raised gore (the Iris I think). I'm thinking of requesting one with a lower gore or with less fabric at the top of the cup. Has anyone done this? How does the fit compare to their standard fit?
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I'm thinking of doing the reversed; ask for higher wings and gores, so I'm equally curious about how to do it :)
Would you want to sell your 60L comexim? I'd be interested in purchasing it if you are! send me a message and let me know.
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I'm thinking of sewing bras to get them to fit. From what I read online it's easy enough and once you've done it you never want to buy one again. It feels a bit intimidating because I don't sew much, so just getting the material would be a project, and I probably need a size (30GG) that doesn't come in the patterns I've found. I'm going to do a little more research on what I need first. Anyone done it?
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Do you have any bras that fit you or *almost* fit you? If so, you could use those bras as a template. I haven't done it exactly, but I am in the middle of making a bralette :) Not the flimsiest kind, so it's somewhat similar I guess. I'm making mine with 3 hooks and a leotard back. Since I'm a total noob at sewing I decided NOT to buy power net or anything like that for my first project, I'm simply using jersey fabric, a rather strong one though so it might be enough for me support-wise (I don't have very big boobs and they're quite self-supporting). I would recommend doing a test-bra first if you're totally new to sewing like I am, however, if you're a little more experienced, you could probably go straight at it :)
I have a 32FF that fits well enough to give some clues about my correct fit but I wouldn't want to base a new bra on it. My best lead so far is to shorten the strap on a pattern for a 32G. Hopefully I won't have to. This link has a couple and I think G=H. http://www.bramakerssupply.com/site2009/cart/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=7&cat=Full+Band
Are you using a pattern for your bralette? I was thinking of making one of those too, but without hooks. Making it long in the back sounds like a really good idea. I'm shallow and firmish so it might work even though I'm out of their normal size range, but it would take an elastic fabric and I've never used that. It seems like something you could wing if you had to. Or try and get frustrated. ;)
I rarely sew but I knit a lot so I'm used to learning by doing (over and over), so I think I can do it. But at my level of sewings I would have to know exactly what the goal is before I start... :)
And hey, it's fun that there are others doing it too!
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So I finally bought a pair of stockings for the garter belt to clip on to and after twirling around with my SO's eyes popping out, I sat down on the chair (LDR. If he's here I would not be sitting down...ahem, moving on).
And then the lower part of the plastic boning pops out. I mean, not popping out, but ... it sticks out, making me look like I have a set of very portruding pelvic bones.
Are basque only meant to be worn standing? Do I really have to pull the garter straps (it's attached to the basque) tightly and attach it to the stockings? The straps are already at their shortest settings, maybe I'm just short (5'5"), so they need to be shorter than the shortest they can get?
Will the problem of "very portruding pelvic bones" be solved by just taking out the plastic piece in the boning?
Once again, what am I doing with my life????
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It has plastic boning? My experience with plastic boning is that it causes that unflattering protruding look that you're talking about. I try to get for pieces with metal boning for this reason; metal boning is strong enough to offer support, but plastic boning generally is not.
I have removed the plastic boning from a few of my lingerie items, and usually it works out okay. It's super easy to do; just a small slit on the inside, and then you pull it out. Generally, removing the boning doesn't affect the fit of the piece too much, but obviously without the boning, the piece won't be quite as structured or supportive (not that the plastic boning was giving you much support, anyway).
If you do remove the plastic boning and dislike the look, you can order metal boning online to replace it.
Yea I think I'm gonna take out the plastic piece. It doesn't do much for the whole structure, so I guess I'll be fine with the boning taken out. :D
I found a Panache Andorra Full Cup (5675) on the US Simply Be website for only $18, plus I was able to use a 30% off coupon! Of course, Simply Be uses the most ridiculous sizing translation, so I got it in a "36L", which would be a 36H UK... I think? I really have no idea ... what size will be arriving. Why do websites do this? I know the Asos US site does as well. If you want to confuse us with your bizarro sizing schemes, at least give us the actual size for those of us who know our true size or who are familiar with how a certain brand fits!
http://www.simplybe.com/page/sizingbras_corsetry
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http://www.simplybe.com/full-coverage/panache-andorra-full-cup-bra/invt/sx999el/
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I ordered a 30L and got 30H from them, so hopefully you'll be alright.
If you're a UK cup K then would you just avoid buying this one?
Nice colour , hope it works out for you =^.^=
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Sell em, give em away, trade em! It's nice to pass things on.
If you're still active here, can you please tell me what size Panache Andorra worked for you? I can't figure them out. From your postings of adventures, I think we are similar.